Open Debate: Evolution.

Godless said:
Sam you seem rational, though you have little knowledge of your religions past, or perhaps, you agree with what has been done in the name of your religion:

Genocide committed in the name of Allah: 3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians. In India, Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675. Another Sikh, Bhai Mati Das was sawn into right and left halves while he was still alive. In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army. From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by the Muslims. From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad. In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq. Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been brutally murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979. Over 30,000 Mauritanians have been killed by the Islamic dictators since 1960. In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria. Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army.

That's just a small portion of the evil brought to the world, by a pathetic schizophrenic, pedophile, terrorist named Mohammed.

I'm not a Hindu, but I did like what I read on this site:

Hinduism tells us that the "Self" which dwells in each and every being in this universe is one and the same with Godhead. Every soul in this uinverse is a reflection of this Supreme Self. Thus every individual has the potential to realize Godhead by the realization of this "Self".

Realization of the "Self" is possible only when someone is free to think on his/her own and act accordingly. The most heinous and barbaric crime in this world would be to stop an individual to think freely. And when such a crime is legalised in the form of a religion, one can easily imagine how disastrous it can be. Islam is such a religion.

Islam imposes a threat to the whole world which is far worse than deforestation, nuclear destruction or AIDS. It is an insidious, devilish disease creeping into the veins of the world. Every individual must realise the destructive and evil nature of this religion, for it eats away at the very foundation of humanity which is an individual's ability to think individually and act accordingly. The following articles logically analyse different aspects of this so called religion and bring forth the true nature of Islam.

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If any freaking religion, one can be condemed to death, for questioning or choosing not to believe, that is not a religion. But a cult.

Islam: A False Religion

cult

*Islam demands that those who do not convert to Islam be slain or taken as slaves. There is no third option. With the genuine world religions, they tolerate those who do not agree with their tenets. They do not declare that those who do not agree with their dogmas be slain or taken as slaves.

That makes the difference between Islam and the true world religions. The latter allow other religious beliefs to co-exist. Islam demands via the Koran’s Allah that all non-Muslims be slaughtered or taken captive as slaves.
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The above has been debated here over and over again and again. It's still out that muslims commit the crimes they do, because of interpretation of the Quaran.

Godless

How about this?

Nowhere in Islamic history can one find a doctrine similar to Saint Augustine’s cognite intrare (“lead them in”—i.e. “force them to convert”). In fact the Qur’an says the exact opposite: There is no compulsion in religion ( 2:256 ). Augustine’s frightening idea that all must be compelled to “conform” to the “true Christian faith” has unleashed centuries of unparalleled bloodshed. Indeed, Christians have suffered more under the rule of Christian civilization than under pre- Christian Roman rule or any other rule in history. Millions were tortured and slaughtered in the name of Christianity during the periods of the Arian, Donatist and Albigensian heresies, to say nothing of the various Inquisitions, or the Crusades, when the European armies were saying, as they slaughtered both Christian and Muslim Arabs: “Kill them all, God will know his own.” Needless to say, these transgressions— and indeed all the transgressions of Christians throughout the ages—have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ and or even the New Testament as such. Indeed, no Muslim by definition would ever or will ever blame this on Jesus Christ (the Word made Flesh, for Christians and Muslims).



By no means was such indiscriminate violence limited to Europe’s “Dark Ages” or to one period of Christian history. The Reformation and Counter Reformation took inter- Christian slaughter to new extremes; two thirds of the Christian population of Europe being slaughtered during this time. Then there were (among many others wars, pogroms, revolutions and genocides) the Napoleonic Wars ( 1792-1815 ); the African slave trade that claimed the lives of 10 million; and the Colonial Conquests. Estimates for the number of Native Americans slaughtered by the Europeans in North, Central and South America run as high as 20 million within three generations.



Despite the ravages of Europe’s violent past, in the 20 th century, Western Civilization took warfare to new extremes. A conservative estimate puts the total number of brutal deaths in the 20 th century at more than 250 million. Of these, Muslims are responsible for less than 10 million deaths. Christians, or those coming from Christian backgrounds account for more than 200 million of these! The greatest death totals come from World War I (about 20 million, at least 90 % of which were inflicted by “Christians”) and World War II ( 90 million, at least 50% of which were inflicted by “Christians,” the majority of the rest occurring in the Far East). Given this grim history, it appears that we Europeans must all come to grips with the fact that Islamic civilization has actually been incomparably less brutal than Christian civilization. Did the Holocaust of over 6 million Jews occur out of the background of a Muslim Civilization?



In the 20th century alone, Western and/or Christian powers have been responsible for at least twenty times more deaths than have Muslim powers. In this most brutal of centuries, we created incomparably more civilian casualties than have Muslims in the whole of Islamic history. This continues even in our day—witness the slaughter of 900,000 Rwandans in 1994 in a population that was over 90 % Christian; or the genocide of over 300,000 Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbs in Bosnia between 1992 and 1995. The horrible truth is that, numerically and statistically speaking, Christian Civilization is the bloodiest and most violent of all civilizations in all of history, and is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

What's their excuse?
 
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What's their excuse?

Then can't you see it? That's why I'm an atheist. No relgion has ever brought any peace to earth. But has brought what will and has been the stagnation of man kind.

I completely agree with what you stated, one of the main reasons I became an atheist, is because i DON'T SUPPORT the attrocities done by my former religion.

That's why I asked you. Do you support the mass murders, killings in the name of Islam. By staying in a religion whom's past is covered in blood. Then you do support it's actions.


In fact the Qur’an says the exact opposite: There is no compulsion in religion ( 2:256 ).

So why were they conquering and converting by force even today?

But when Mr. bin Laden talks to his fellow Muslims, he says something else entirely: "I was ordered to fight [non-Muslims] until they say that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet." That is a trifle pretentious in echoing the exact words that Muhammad himself supposedly declaimed, but it is certainly orthodox Islam: Muslims must convert non-Muslims by force, if necessary, or otherwise kill them, unless they are exempted Christians or Jews.
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Muslims Kidnap, Force Christian Girls to Convert

Lahore (AsiaNews/Ucan) – Outrage at the death of a Catholic boy forced to convert to Islam at the hands of torturous abductors has prompted the Pakistan Catholic Bishop’s Commission of Justice and Peace, to take up the legal case. The Christian youth died of injuries inflicted by a teacher and students at an Islamic school. The National Commission for Justice and Peace declared May 4th that the incident reflects a worrying trend of forced conversions
Forced conversion to Islam fatal for Christian boy

more to come latter.

Godless
 
Godless said:
You don't see shit, cause your blind, dumbed and brain washed.

THE KORAN



Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.

But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world….Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value [Koranic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.

……Ayatollah Khomeini
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this is an example of your "great leaders" Sorry bastard out to be NUKED

Godless

Wft, thats not from the Qu'ran. And Ayatollahs are Shias not Sunni Muslims.

Anyway I told you to bring a verse form the Qu'ran which states Muslims should kill apostates.

Also, your claims are unfounded for, which Muslims army went to Indonesia to conquer Indonesia? Islam was not spread by conquest its been proven.

Also bring me one verse from the Qu'ran which says kill the non Muslims?

Clearly dude, you have been given miss information about Islam. There are rules to Jihad you can't just go conquering lands which do not belong to you, Islam is not about conquest, for a start Jihad is only allowed in self defense and its still considered a lesser jihad, the bigger jihad is carried out by a Muslims against himself, to keep himself pious.

References:
http://www.dogchurch.org/chapel/jihad.html
 
Godless said:
Then can't you see it? That's why I'm an atheist. No relgion has ever brought any peace to earth. But has brought what will and has been the stagnation of man kind.

I completely agree with what you stated, one of the main reasons I became an atheist, is because i DON'T SUPPORT the attrocities done by my former religion.

That's why I asked you. Do you support the mass murders, killings in the name of Islam. By staying in a religion whom's past is covered in blood. Then you do support it's actions.




So why were they conquering and converting by force even today?

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Muslims Kidnap, Force Christian Girls to Convert

Forced conversion to Islam fatal for Christian boy

more to come latter.

Godless


And what makes you think that people kill only for religion?

How about this?

In this century the United States probably murdered about 583,000 people (line 350), conceivable even as many as 1,641,000 all told. Virtually all of these were foreigners killed during foreign wars. Domestically, throughout this century the American Federal or state governments were responsible for the murder of about 1 out of every 1,111,000 Americans per year.


http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP13.HTM
 
Godless said:
Then can't you see it? That's why I'm an atheist. No relgion has ever brought any peace to earth. But has brought what will and has been the stagnation of man kind.

I completely agree with what you stated, one of the main reasons I became an atheist, is because i DON'T SUPPORT the attrocities done by my former religion.

That's why I asked you. Do you support the mass murders, killings in the name of Islam. By staying in a religion whom's past is covered in blood. Then you do support it's actions.




So why were they conquering and converting by force even today?

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Muslims Kidnap, Force Christian Girls to Convert

Forced conversion to Islam fatal for Christian boy

more to come latter.

Godless


NON OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM, I CAN BRING YOU 100S OF ARTICLES ABOUT HOW THE BRITISH BROUGHT ABOUT IMPERIALISM AND SUBJUGATED THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE LANDS THEY CONQUERED.

ALL OF THAT YOU'RE POSTING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM, ITS NOT EVEN 100% OF MUSLIMS WHO DO DUMB THINGS, BRING VERSES FROM THE QU'RAN WHICH STATE MUSLIMS SHOULD DO THIS KIND OF THING. YOU CAN'T JUDGE A RELIGION BY ITS FOLLOWERS YOU JUDGE IT ON ITS SCRIPTURES. I MEAN FOOLS WILL BE FOOL REGARDLESS OF WHAT FAITH OR NOT THEY FOLLOW.

SO STOP SPAMMING IN THE THREAD AND TRY TO HAVE A PROPER DEBATE YEAH?
 
In domestic democide, such as lynchings, the American government was probably indirectly responsible for around 2,000 killed since 1900. But in foreign wars, the American military may have killed hundreds of thousands of foreigners in cold blood, virtually all civilians, and the greater majority of these by bombing.

Do you cut and paste this to all the threads you post in or is it just the ones I've seen?

Dee Cee
 
Muslim said:
NON OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM, I CAN BRING YOU 100S OF ARTICLES ABOUT HOW THE BRITISH BROUGHT ABOUT IMPERIALISM AND SUBJUGATED THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE LANDS THEY CONQUERED.

ALL OF THAT YOU'RE POSTING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM, ITS NOT EVEN 100% OF MUSLIMS WHO DO DUMB THINGS, BRING VERSES FROM THE QU'RAN WHICH STATE MUSLIMS SHOULD DO THIS KIND OF THING. YOU CAN'T JUDGE A RELIGION BY ITS FOLLOWERS YOU JUDGE IT ON ITS SCRIPTURES. I MEAN FOOLS WILL BE FOOL REGARDLESS OF WHAT FAITH OR NOT THEY FOLLOW.

SO STOP SPAMMING IN THE THREAD AND TRY TO HAVE A PROPER DEBATE YEAH?


Calm down, Muslim.

We are having a debate.
:)
 
samcdkey said:
And what makes you think that people kill only for religion?

How about this?

In this century the United States probably murdered about 583,000 people (line 350), conceivable even as many as 1,641,000 all told. Virtually all of these were foreigners killed during foreign wars. Domestically, throughout this century the American Federal or state governments were responsible for the murder of about 1 out of every 1,111,000 Americans per year.


http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP13.HTM

This guy is clearly an racist idiot no point wasting your time with this disillusioned chimp.
 
samcdkey said:
Calm down, Muslim.

We are having a debate.
:)


I am claim, I was wanting him to actually notice what I was saying rather then spamming in the thread with irrelevant stuff.
 
DeeCee said:
In domestic democide, such as lynchings, the American government was probably indirectly responsible for around 2,000 killed since 1900. But in foreign wars, the American military may have killed hundreds of thousands of foreigners in cold blood, virtually all civilians, and the greater majority of these by bombing.

Do you cut and paste this to all the threads you post in or is it just the ones I've seen?

Dee Cee


I don't know; how many have you seen :)
 
DeeCee said:
In domestic democide, such as lynchings, the American government was probably indirectly responsible for around 2,000 killed since 1900. But in foreign wars, the American military may have killed hundreds of thousands of foreigners in cold blood, virtually all civilians, and the greater majority of these by bombing.

Do you cut and paste this to all the threads you post in or is it just the ones I've seen?

Dee Cee

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/history_oto_tribe/93774
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/History/Massacres_History.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5033648.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5039420.stm
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002576401
 
"Early yesterday a major derailment of a thread killed at least 300 people, possibly as high as 400" said a spokesman for the Department of Threading. The cause is as yet unknown but early reports from eyewitnesses suggest that a misplaced reference to religion may be to blame.
 
Godless:

Face it human beings are crap; they do not need any excuse to kill and torture; they just pick the most convenient one at hand.

Robbing them of one excuse only makes them reach for another.

We need to learn to live together, recognizing that people are different, that they make choices we may not agree with.

Picking on differences only breeds more differences. We should look at the common things we all want in life.

I'm done here.
 
Shall I blame all white Americans collectively for these massacres and the massacres which are happening even today in places like Iraq, and Afghanistan?
 
Muslim said:
Shall I blame all white Americans collectively for these massacres and the massacres which are happening even today in places like Iraq, and Afghanistan?
sure why not?
just don't get too upset if we blame all muslims for every terrorist act that happens.
we can even wage our own little holy war.
 
samcdkey said:
We need to learn to live together, recognizing that people are different, that they make choices we may not agree with.

Picking on differences only breeds more differences. We should look at the common things we all want in life.

You realise, of course, that religions ARE the only real differences.
 
(Q) said:
You realise, of course, that religions ARE the only real differences.

No the main difference between people is POWER.

That's what everyone wants; to be more powerful; actually its all the testosterone.

I think the men should resign and hand over power to women. :)
 
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