Nina Kulagina and documented psychokinesis

It's a trade secret, I got briefed by the Arisians.

BTW, have you been to skeptic.forum.com? They need some smartening up very badly.
 
I see lots of whining about fraud
No, just pointing it out. The psychic put forward 37 different names in 30 minutes. If she is psychic why did she have to guess 37 names?
Try to remember these are the famous ones, the successful ones, presumably the real deal?

Uri Fella and the Telephone book dude were just caught out.

Randi was a magician who knew the tricks it was as simple as that.
 
"Journalist and NPR producer Stacy Horn, who wrote about Rhine’s lab at Duke University in her 2009 book Unbelievable, queried Randi in June 2008 about his million-dollar prize. She told me:

I had an exchange with Randi because I was going to have the following sentences about his million-dollar prize in my book:
“To date, Randi’s million-dollar prize has not been awarded, but according to Chris Carter, author of Parapsychology and the Skeptics, Randi backs off from any serious challenge. ‘I always have an out,’ he has been quoted as saying.”
I sent that to Randi to ask him if he really said that. …He wrote back saying that the quote was true, but incomplete. What he really said was, “I always have an ‘out’ — I’m right!”
It seemed like he thought he was being amusing, but I didn’t really know a lot about him yet. But it also seemed to indicate that the million-dollar prize might not really be a serious offer. So I asked him how a decision was made, was there a committee and who was on it? …He replied, “If someone claims they can fly by flapping their arms, the results don’t need any ‘decision.’ What ‘committee’? Why would a committee be required? I don’t understand the question.”
At that point I wrote him off and decided to not mention his prize in my book since it just seemed like a publicity stunt for Randi.
 
Not sure what to think about this fascinating woman.
You're not? That would be a first.

You mean you're actually wondering whether she was a fraud?

I don't believe you.
The films of the scientifically-controlled demonstrations of her enigmatic powers seem real enough.
To whom? To the most gullible man on Earth? Figures.
But the toll such feats took upon her health perhaps ended up making any of it unuseable or impractical.
How do you know that her "feats" took a toll on her health?
An incredible historical case of rare superhuman ability nonetheless...
But you don't know what to think about this fascinating woman.
 
But you don't know what to think about this fascinating woman


Either she really had psychokinetic powers, or she was clever enough to pull one over on Russian scientists. In either case she would be a fascinating woman.
 
Either she really had psychokinetic powers, or she was clever enough to pull one over on Russian scientists. In either case she would be a fascinating woman.
What have you read about her pulling one over on Russian scientists? Anything?
 
What have you read about her pulling one over on Russian scientists? Anything?

"During the Cold War, silent black-and-white films were produced, in which she appeared to move objects on a table in front of her without touching them. These films were allegedly made under controlled conditions for Soviet authorities and caused excitement for many psychic researchers around the world, some of whom believed that they represented clear evidence for the existence of psychic phenomena. According to reports from the Soviet Union, 40 scientists, two of whom were Nobel laureates, studied Kulagina.[13] In Investigating Psychics, Larry Kettlekamp claims that Kulagina was filmed separating broken eggs that had been submerged in water, moving apart the whites and yolks, during which event such physical changes were recorded as accelerated and altered: heartbeat, brain waves and electromagnetic field.[14] To ensure that external electromagnetic impulses did not interfere, she was placed inside of a metal cage while she supposedly demonstrated an ability to remove a marked matchstick from a pile of matchsticks under a glass dome....

One of Kulagina's most celebrated experiments took place in a Leningrad laboratory on 10 March 1970. Having initially studied the ability to move inanimate objects, scientists were curious to see if Kulagina's abilities extended to cells, tissues, and organs. Sergeyev was one of many scientists present when Kulagina attempted to use her energy to stop the beating of a frog's heart floating in solution. He said that she focused intently on the heart and apparently made it beat faster, then slower, and using extreme intent of thought, stopped it." --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina
 
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"During the Cold War, silent black-and-white films were produced, in which she appeared to move objects on a table in front of her without touching them. These films were allegedly made under controlled conditions for Soviet authorities and caused excitement for many psychic researchers around the world, some of whom believed that they represented clear evidence for the existence of psychic phenomena. According to reports from the Soviet Union, 40 scientists, two of whom were Nobel laureates, studied Kulagina.[13] In Investigating Psychics, Larry Kettlekamp claims that Kulagina was filmed separating broken eggs that had been submerged in water, moving apart the whites and yolks, during which event such physical changes were recorded as accelerated and altered: heartbeat, brain waves and electromagnetic field.[14] To ensure that external electromagnetic impulses did not interfere, she was placed inside of a metal cage while she supposedly demonstrated an ability to remove a marked matchstick from a pile of matchsticks under a glass dome....

One of Kulagina's most celebrated experiments took place in a Leningrad laboratory on 10 March 1970. Having initially studied the ability to move inanimate objects, scientists were curious to see if Kulagina's abilities extended to cells, tissues, and organs. Sergeyev was one of many scientists present when Kulagina attempted to use her energy to stop the beating of a frog's heart floating in solution. He said that she focused intently on the heart and apparently made it beat faster, then slower, and using extreme intent of thought, stopped it." --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Kulagina
Nothing, then. As expected.
 
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Either she really had psychokinetic powers, or she was clever enough to pull one over on Russian scientists. In either case she would be a fascinating woman.
People talk themselves into believe all kinds of stupidity. Scientist are not Sherlock Holmes-clones, they're just people with a particular talent.

Ergo, your either/or is not sufficient to explain things. You struggle to limit the convo to what you can handle. That should be a red flag for you.
 
Nothing, then. As expected.
One intriguing thing about her and other PK cases I have studied is that the energy emitted from her is NOT either magnetic or electrical. She was able to perform the PK feats while inside a Faraday cage thru a glass case. So whatever it is it is some kind of energy or force we have not discovered yet. That's very interesting to me.

Here's a well-documented PK case of a boy around whom electrical devices would quit functioning or malfunction when he was near them. In one incident when he was getting impatient demanding a sandwich the toaster started to heat up. The toaster was unplugged!

 
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Astonishing to whom? Well-documented by whom? You don't post this information because it looks like complete twaddle when you do.
 
One intriguing thing about her and other PK cases I have studied is that the energy emitted from her is NOT either magnetic or electrical.
I assume that nobody actually measured any "energy" being emitted from her.
She was able to perform the PK feats while inside a Faraday cage thru a glass case.
Stage magicians often use invisible threads, so this might not be as astounding as you think it is.
So whatever it is it is some kind of energy or force we have not discovered yet.
You're jumping to conclusions prematurely, as usual.
Here's a well-documented PK case of a boy around whom electrical devices would quit functioning or malfunction when he was near them. In one incident when he was getting impatient demanding a sandwich the toaster started to heat up. The toaster was unplugged!
This happened under controlled conditions in a laboratory, I take it?
 
This happened under controlled conditions in a laboratory, I take it?

Two parapsychologists from the Rhine Institute basically lived in the house where the boy and his family lived. The intent was to observe firsthand his involuntary hypothetical influence over electronic devices. After many days of seeing exactly that repeatedly and ruling out coincidental random malfunctions and seeing how the incidents correlated to the boy's stress level, they taught the boy how to calm down by using breathing exercises. This appeared to diminish the pk incidents until it stopped completely. EMF readings taken around the boy's body showed no electromagnetic field being generated during the incidents..
 
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John Chang AKA Dynamo Jack is filmed in the 90's performing astonishing feats of exerted Chi energy from his hands and body. Lights a wadded up newspaper on fire with his hand and shocks people with his body. His body is scanned for any metal and finds none. Attempts to detect electrical voltages on his body failed and none were detected. Yet he could light an led bulb with his fingers. Solid proof that PK called Chi in this case is definitely the real thing!

 
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"Angelique Cottin was a French girl who in 1846, aged fourteen, was the centre of psychokinetic disturbances that caused an international sensation, earning her the soubriquet 'electric girl of Bouvigny'."
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"Angélique Cottin was born in 1832 in the village of Bouvigny in the rural district of La Perrière in northwestern France. As a doctor’s examination would confirm, her health was good. Her education was likely rudimentary and her life occupied by chores.1

At 8 pm on 15 January 1846, 14-year-old Angelique, in the company of other girls, was weaving silk gloves on an oak frame. The frame began to jerk as if it were alive and was impossible to keep steady. A turning cylinder suddenly broke free from the apparatus and was flung ‘a considerable distance without any visible cause’. This was repeated several times. The girls fled, but their account was disbelieved and they were told to return to work. They now noticed that the frame remained still until Angelique approached, at which point it began jerking again.

Concerned that their daughter had been bewitched or possessed, Angelique’s parents took her to the local church to be exorcised. However, the priest observed the phenomena himself and advised her parents to take her to a physician, Dr Tanchou. They did so, but in the meantime the force intensified.

[N]ot only articles made of oak, but all sorts of things, were acted upon by it, and reacted upon her; while persons who were near her, even without contact, frequently felt electric shocks. The effects, which were diminished when she was on a carpet or a waxed cloth, were most remarkable when she was on the bare earth. They sometimes entirely ceased for three days, and then recommenced. Metals were not affected. Anything touched by her apron or dress would fly off, although a person held it; and Monsieur Herbert, while seated on a heavy tub or trough, was raised up with it …
A needle, suspended horizontally, oscillated rapidly with the motion of her arm, without contact, or remained fixed, while deviating from the magnetic direction … She was often hurt by the violent involuntary movements she was thrown into …2
It was found that Angelique could get respite by sitting on a stone covered with cork. Isolation also helped, and the effects diminished when she was fatigued.

Investigations​

François Arago​

Her parents and Tanchou now brought her to Paris to the preeminent astronomer, scientist and politician François Arago, who along with two other investigators tested her in his observatory. They reported the following findings to the Paris Academy of Sciences:

A mostly repulsive but sometimes attractive force emanated from the left side of Angelique’s body. ‘A sheet of paper, a pen, or any other light body, being placed upon a table, if the young girl approaches her left hand, even before she touches it, the object is driven to a distance, as by a gust of wind. The table itself is thrown the moment it is touched by her hand, or even by a thread which she may hold in it.’3

This would instantly cause a ‘strong commotion’ in her side, drawing her toward the table, but the repulsive force seemed concentrated on her pelvic region. Any time Angelique attempted to sit, the seat was thrown far away from her, so forcefully that it would carry another person sitting on it. The force was strong enough to move a chest with three men sitting on it, and also to break a chair which two strong men were holding still.

The phenomena were intermittent in intensity and most intense daily from 7 to 9 p.m. During that time, Angelique was forced to stand the entire two hours ‘in great agitation’. Angelique could touch no object without breaking it or throwing it on the ground.

Every piece of furniture touched by her clothes was moved or overturned. At the point of this happening, people touching her felt a ‘true electric shock’.

While the phenomena were happening, the left side of Angelique’s body was warmer than the right. Her left side was afflicted by jerks, unusual movements and ‘a kind of trembling, which seems to communicate itself to the hand which touches it’. When approaching a magnet, Angelique felt a violent shock from the north pole, but nothing from the south pole (as appeared when an experimenter secretly changed the poles).

The involuntary paroxysms she suffered each evening resembled symptoms of some ‘nervous maladies’.4

Arago commented that the force
seems to have no identity with electricity; and yet when one touched her in the paroxysms there was a shock like that given by the discharge of a Leyden jar. It seems to have no identity with magnetism proper, for it has no reaction upon the [compass] needle; and yet the north pole of a magnet has a most powerful reaction upon her, producing shocks and trembling … At all events, whatever it be, time and research will determine, with sufficient cases ; at present we are left to conjecture.5
In February, as newspaper coverage of the ‘electric girl’ went international, the Academy of Sciences began its investigation. The scientist who wrote a preliminary report stated:
A large and heavy sofa upon which I was seated was pushed with great force against the wall the moment the girl came to seat herself by me. A chair was held fast upon the floor by strong men, and I was seated on it in such a way as to occupy only half the seat; it was forcibly wrenched from me as soon as the young girl sat down on the other half. 6
When a second scientist made similar observations, the Academy set up a formal committee of inquiry. However, testing over five days was reportedly unproductive, and it withdrew its earlier reports.

Critics blamed the committee for failing to account for the observations of Arago and other scientists, and pointed out that the non-appearance of the phenomena at a given moment did not disprove it. 7 Albert de Rochas d’Aiglun, a psychical researcher argued that the committee members were too narrowly concerned with using equipment to ascertain the presence of electricity, and that the effects may in any case have been declining by this stage.8

Angelique and her parents returned home and the phenomena ceased, some ten weeks after they had begun.

A later commentator speculated that the origin of the force was related to the onset of puberty.9 However, there is no record of the timing of the commencement of Angelique’s menses in relation to the period of the phenomena."

 
John Chang AKA Dynamo Jack is filmed in the 90's performing astonishing feats of exerted Chi energy from his hands and body. Lights a wadded up newspaper on fire with his hand and shocks people with his body. His body is scanned for any metal and finds none. Attempts to detect electrical voltages on his body failed and none were detected. Yet he could light an led bulb with his fingers. Solid proof that PK called Chi in this case is definitely the real thing!
Willy Ockham says hello.
 
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