spidergoat
Valued Senior Member
Whatever.
I did not realise that there was a relevance of the origin of Judaism to the origin of Jews today, anymore than I see a relevance of the origin of Islam to the origin of Muslims today.
They all emerged in the same area. Wether Jews descended from people that came there from somewhere else or were native, or probably some of each is an interesting archeological question, but does it mean something else to you?
The wall dates from a time in the Middle Bronze Age when Jerusalem was a small, fortified enclave controlled by the Canaanites, before they were conquered by the Israelites.
Religions have their myths. All of them.SAM said:What evidence is there for the kingdoms of David or Solomon? For Moses or the exile? For the alleged exit of "Jews" from Palestine? For the temple allegedly destroyed 600 years before Islam?
None, not one. Its all a myth thats been brainwashed into their children for ages.
Religions have their myths. All of them.
I did not realise that there was a relevance of the origin of Judaism to the origin of Jews today,
Is there any historical evidence for the origin of Judaism in Palestine?
Meanwhile, what does the origin of the ancestors of the Palestinian people have to do with the argument?
According to Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, there are no "Jewish people"
Once again, what does the origin of Judaism or Jewish people [which are mutually exclusive incidents] have to do with the argument?
SAM:
Why did you bring it up, then?
There's plenty of archaeological evidence.
Cherry picking sources again, SAM? Have you managed to find any sources saying there are Jewish people in your extensive digging through the literature? Not one?
You tell me. You brought it up.
Now you've brought up a second claim: that identifying as Jewish has nothing to do with Judaism.
Hmm....
Do you care to try to support that?
In the book Sand argues that most contemporary Jews don't originate from the ancient Land of Israel. They never existed as a "nation-race" with a common origin. Most of them are descendants of European, Russian and African groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion. Just like others adopted Christianity. He also argues that for a number of Zionist ideologues, "the mythical perception of the Jews as an ancient people led to truly racist thinking"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People
There's plenty of archaeological evidence.
Why did you bring it up, then?
So you're talking about modern Jews, SAM. What about the first Jews? Where do you think they came from?