Luminiferous Aether Exists!

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  1. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    Hey,This was already explained by scientists..You just said that wave as aether wave..Thats all...Nothing new!!!
     
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  3. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    Hey,you said that albert einstein introduced aether..right?? Give me an article that says that Albert Einstein actually said that and why he said that... Only that..I am sure that he used it to explain how light moves through aether and nothing else.. You just included gravity with it.. So give me the article....
     
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  5. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    If that were true you could specify it in kg. You can't, because it doesn't.

    If that were true you could specify it in m[sup]3[/sup]. You can't, because it doesn't.

    If that were true you could specify how conservation of momentum is preserved in the displacement. You can't, because it doesn't.

    If that were true you could specify the associated frequency in terms of aether. You can't, because it doesn't.

    A particle travels through a slit because it's unimpeded by the walls of the apparatus. This is moot. Waves are detected at both the single and double slits, also moot. There is nothing in this statement that is relevant to aether. Aether theory has nothing to do with particle-wave duality. If it did, there would be some reference to aether in the statement of the experiment. There isn't because it doesn't.

    You mean "moves"? "Vibrates"? "Oscillates"? You don't say so, because it doesn't. If it did, Michelson-Morely experiments would have detected an aether wind. They didn't, because it doesn't.

    So far all you have done is prove nothing except that you can endlessly repeat invented claims by rote. You should be moved from "alternative theories" to "spurious claims". If I were king for a day, I'd create a forum called "Stuck on Stupid". Barring that, I suppose you're relegated to spouting spurious claims in this endless loop right here, where no one particularly cares about your repetitive ignorance of science.

    Yes, there is an aether. In your mind, in a perpetual state of iteration. But nowhere else.
     
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  7. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    Why don't you read some of the following articles.

    'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and Inertial Backreaction'
    http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

    "We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide further evidence of the “fluidic” nature of space itself."

    The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the 'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the matter.

    The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure (or vorticity).

    'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'
    http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

    "One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

    The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by aether toward matter.

    'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'
    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

    "As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive if αg < 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg < 15 corresponds to the usual matter."

    The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

    'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

    "The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new form of matter. This is the real substance"

    The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark matter is aether.

    'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
    http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753

    "this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."

    "mass of the aether"

    'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168

    "the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."

    'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
    http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135

    "Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

    'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'
    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892

    "the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ”aether” because of the presence of the background field"

    Why don't you learn to understand what supersolid means.

    In wave-particle duality it is the aether that waves.

    The MMX looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moved through. The aether is not an absolutely stationary space. Aether is displaced by matter.

    What is presently postulated as non-baryonic dark matter is aether. Non-baryonic dark matter has been shown to not be anchored to matter. Non-baryonic dark matter is not anchored to matter because there is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

    'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'
    http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html

    "Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."

    It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

    It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

    'Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image'
    http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html

    "This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a "dark core," containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. "This result is a puzzle," said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. "Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it's not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.""

    The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.

    Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

    'Surprise! IBEX Finds No Bow ‘Shock’ Outside our Solar System'
    http://www.universetoday.com/95094/surprise-ibex-finds-no-bow-shock-outside-our-solar-system/

    '“While bow shocks certainly exist ahead of many other stars, we’re finding that our Sun’s interaction doesn’t reach the critical threshold to form a shock,” said Dr. David McComas, principal investigator of the IBEX mission, “so a wave is a more accurate depiction of what’s happening ahead of our heliosphere — much like the wave made by the bow of a boat as it glides through the water.”'

    The wave ahead of our heliosphere is an aether displacement wave. This is evidence of a moving 'particle', the solar system, having an associated aether wave.

    'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

    "Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water."

    The 'pond' consists of aether. The moving 'particles' are the galaxy clusters. The ripple is an aether displacement wave. The ripple is a gravitational wave. This is also evidence of a moving 'particle', the galaxy clusters, having an associated aether wave.

    'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
    http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1004/1004.1475v1.pdf

    "Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."

    The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring physically in nature as the galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.
     
  8. Prof.Layman totally internally reflected Registered Senior Member

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    The boat interpretation is a little bit different in the fact that the crest of the waves would reach points on the screen at the same time. Only one dot or electron is seen to hit the screen at any given time. In a way the screen has made an observation when the dot appears on it, so then it acts like a particle at that instance. I think that since multiple hits on the screen are not seen to happen at the same time would basically prove that is not aether that is causing this type of particle behavior, where aether is something that would act in much the same way as water.
     
  9. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    In wave-particle duality there is a particle AND a wave. In the boat double slit analogy there is a boat AND a bow wave. What is detected is the boat. Where it is detected is determined by the wave interference created by the bow wave exiting both slits.
     
  10. Prof.Layman totally internally reflected Registered Senior Member

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    Even if you did add a boat to the problem, there is very little gravitational attraction between electrons and the force of gravity isn't related to wavelike behavior and the force of gravity isn't dependant on the observer. If you tried to describe wavelike behavior in terms of space curvature, it would be all messed up. The particles in the two slit experiment would have to be described as traveling through flat space in order to have proper trajectories or no significant force of gravity acting on them. Also, scientist have been unable to detect gravitational waves using light rays.
     
  11. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    I never said the force of gravity is related to wavelike behavior or is dependent on the observer.

    ‘Dark Matter Core Defies Explanation in NASA Hubble Image’
    http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/mar/HQ_12-068_Hubble_Dark_Core.html

    “This technique revealed the dark matter in Abell 520 had collected into a “dark core,” containing far fewer galaxies than would be expected if the dark matter and galaxies were anchored together. Most of the galaxies apparently have sailed far away from the collision. “This result is a puzzle,” said astronomer James Jee of the University of California in Davis, lead author of paper about the results available online in The Astrophysical Journal. “Dark matter is not behaving as predicted, and it’s not obviously clear what is going on. It is difficult to explain this Hubble observation with the current theories of galaxy formation and dark matter.”"

    The dark matter core does not defy explanation. The dark matter core is not a puzzle. The dark matter core is not difficult to explain. It is obviously clear what is going on.

    Non-baryonic dark matter and galaxies are not anchored together. There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether.

    Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.

    The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

    The Milky Way's halo is what Einstein referred to as curved spacetime.

    The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.

    Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.
     
  12. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't you sift through them for me? Find the mass in kg of your aether, and its volume in m[sup]3[/sup]. You can't, because it doesn't.

    Why can't you answer a simple question? If aether is displaced by matter, then you should be able to specify how momentum is conserved. You can't, because it doesn't.

    If that were true you could specify the associated frequency in terms of aether. You can't, because it doesn't.

    Michelson-Morely looked for a luminiferous wind, and, failing to find it, disproved what you're claiming.

    Aether is not anything at all. There is no aether.

    If that were true, momentum would be exchanged. There isn't, because it's not.

    If that were true it wouldn't be postulated. It's not because it isn't.

    NASA never said anything about aether. It remains a spurious claim.

    Actually, your ideas are under water, confronted by reality and the proven laws of nature. When you finally surface and get some long needed oxygen, see if you can figure out why you are unable to specify the mass in kg, and the volume in m[sup]3[/sup], of your aether.
     
  13. Prof.Layman totally internally reflected Registered Senior Member

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    You say aether is responsible for what happens in the two slit experiment, then you say aether is responsible for gravity and dark matter. So then you have said that aether is related to the explaination of two completely different things. The aether wouldn't be able to curve one minute to explain only QM and not gravity, and then curve another minute to explain gravity and not QM. I think the problem here is that you haven't considered that curvature in the aether would affect gravity in every instant that there is curvature in the aether.
     
  14. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    All your question means is you can't understand what a supersolid is. You can't understand an object moving through a supersolid displaces the supersolid.

    Are you able to understand an object moving through a supersolid displaces the supersolid? Are you able to understand there is no loss of energy in the interaction of an object moving through a supersolid and the supersolid? Are you able to understand this is what 'supersolid' means?

    There is no loss of energy because the energy is returned to the object as the supersolid fills-in where the object has been and 'displaces back'.

    Q. Is the particle displacing the supersolid or is the supersolid displacing the particle?
    A. Both occur simultaneously with equal force.

    'Supersolid' does not mean no interaction. It means no loss of energy in the interaction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment

    "The Michelson–Morley experiment was performed in 1887 by Albert Michelson and Edward Morley at what is now Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio.[1] It attempted to detect the relative motion of matter through the stationary luminiferous aether ("aether wind")."

    The aether is not stationary. Aether is displaced by matter.


    Then explain what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity and the observed behaviors in the double slit expeirment.


    Why don't you learn to understand what a supersolid is.

    It's postulated because there is not enough mass of matter in galaxies to account for the speed of their rotation. The missing mass has been shown not to be anchored to the galaxies. This means the galaxies move through and displace the missing mass. This means the missing mass is the aether.

    NASA said what is outside of the solar system is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. What is outside of the solar system is the interstelllar medium. The interstellar medium is the aether. It is the aether which exists outside of the solar system and is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.

    Why don't you read some of the articles which describe gravity as pressure exerted by aether toward matter.
     
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    The 'curvature' of the aether does account for gravity. What Einstien referred to as curved spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. The displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward the matter. Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter gravity.

    The aether also waves.

    If you place a bowling ball into a tank of water the water is displaced by the bowling ball. If you also toss a rock into the tank of water the water ripples. The ripple is a wave in the water. So, the water is displaced by the bowling ball and the water also waves.

    The aether doesn't curve to explain QM. The aether is the wave of wave-particle duality which explains what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment.

    The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid. The aether is displaced by particles of matter which exist in it. If enough particles of matter are close enough together the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the particles of matter is gravity. A particle moving through the aether creates a wave in the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether through both.

    Gravity and what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment are two completely different physical phenomena both caused by aether being displaced by matter. Gravity is caused by the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the matter. The observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are caused by a particle moving through the aether having an associated aether displacement wave.
     
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  17. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    As you undoubtbly know the sock puppet Gravitationl Aether pulls in half understood concepts and then proceeds to pick aspect from them that he thinks helps his conjecture and ignores the parts he thinks don't. He has no knowledge of physics and no mathematical skills apparently.

    He says things lke the aether acts like a super solid and no energy is lost as matter moves through it - in the next breath he says matter moving through the aether produces waves - he then says these waves interact with photons and matter - then he jumps back and says the matter does not interact with aether.

    He is the worst kind of psuedo science hack out there. He is the king of obfuscation and dodging and I really think that he is so self deluded that he cannot see the absurdity of his arguments, he really believs this silly crap! Quite pitiful.
     
  18. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    I have never said matter does not interact with the aether. I have always said matter interacts with the aether. I have always said aether is displaced by matter.

    Are you able to understand that if space is filled with a supersolid an object will move forever through the supersolid?

    If not then you do not understand what supersolid means.

    If yes then what happens to the supersolid which exists in the path of the object?

    The supersolid is displaced by the object.

    Since the object moves, by definition, forever through the supersolid then the supersolid must return to the object the same amount of energy as the supersolid 'displaces back'.
     
  19. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Oh see, so there is not trasfer of energy to the aether so there are no waves produced in the aether - except when you want there to be.

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  20. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    What do you think "the supersolid must return to the object the same amount of energy" means?
     
  21. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I think it means that you pick and choose parts of concepts you do not fully understand and then apply them to your poorly thought out, simplistic, illogical conjecture. I am sure you will reply within minutes of this but I will have to get back later, because I have a life, well actually a honey-do list...
     
  22. gravitational_aether Banned Banned

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    "the supersolid must return to the object the same amount of energy" means the object transfers energy to the supersolid as the object moves through and displaces the supersolid. "the supersolid must return to the object the same amount of energy" means the supersolid transfers energy to the object as the supersolid 'displaces back'. "the supersolid must return to the object the same amount of energy" means the object interacts with the supersolid. "the supersolid must return to the object the same amount of energy" means the supersolid interacts with the object. "the supersolid must return to the object the same amount of energy" means there is no loss of energy in the interaction.
     
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  23. ash64449 Registered Senior Member

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    What .Am i completely ignored over here??
    Pressure cannot work.... I have given the proof...

    "I Don't exactly understand why are you telling me this to explain the relationship between pressure and mass.. But you just tell me what is wrong in my explanation and don't give some other articles to prove that you are correct.

    Aether has mass.It occupies space. An object is placed in the space.Object needs to occupy space. So it displaces aether.
    Aether tries to put pressure on that object.You define that as gravity.I.e pressure on that object.

    Different objects displace aether is different way.so different objects have different gravitational effects.
    Look You said aether has mass. It needs to occupy volume. A large object has to occupy larger volume.
    That larger object displaces the aether more.So it will have more gravity.
    Here i meant large as that object has larger circumference(This is the case of a round body).
    So you found that aether pressure depends upon circuference or larger object and is not irrespective of mass.
    So your gravity theory is wrong... ( I am not saying that your light theory is wrong.I have to think about it a little bit more)

    So say what is wrong in my explanation. We can settle like that way and not providing different articles.. And your explanation should be made as simple as possible so that a common person can understand!!!"""

    Answer to this..I am sure that there is nothing wrong in that explanation...
     

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