How is the universe finding wonder in itself absurd?
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spidergoat
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Can't it be both wonderful and absurd? As Jesus is said to have said in the gnostic gospel of Thomas,
If the body came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder, but if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
Can you build me a machine that can experience wonder? Can you program a computer to feel wonder?
Chapter and verse please. Thank you.
Non sequitur.
Are we not all part of the universe? As Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
Yes, and I will need a planet with water for a laboratory, a sun for fuel and millions of years to build it, tweaking it through each generation with tiny changes.
I'm thinking of calling it a "human".
I don't my information from tv, is that where you get yours?
No offense, but the quote doesn't inspire me.
By creating a brain.
And you have the nerve to question my ability to find wonder in the universe.No offense, but the quote doesn't inspire me.
That's how I feel when you atheists attack things that inspire me. The problem with atheism is that there are so few things that inspire you people, that it's hard to get excited about atheism.
spidergoat
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We aren't attacking ideas, but claims about reality. Atheism is compatible with the scientific effort to understand more about our world. It seems that faith is the opposite of discovery, it's about conclusions.
spidergoat
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29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit,
it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the
body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this
great wealth has made its home in this poverty."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm
To counter this I'll remind you of a quote by Bob Marley: As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. Hence, atheism is a belief in a 100% physical universe. But that is not the case. We know for a fact that the universe or reality is self-interactive, therefore real. And we know that the universe contains content and is itself a thing, but that content may not always be physical and everything that interacts need not always be physical. It's like looking at your image in a mirror, we think it's real, but it's not. It's only an image. Hence, the physical world is an appearance/ mirage perceived by the senses where perceptual reality is strictly information. Hence, the monic term info-cognition as coined by the CTMU.
spidergoat
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Atheism is essentially an open minded point of view. We don't know everything about the nature of things, but we are open to finding out more. This is the opposite of a faith based religious point of view in which proponents have faith that things just are the way they believe things are, and nothing can change that opinion.
Consciousness is the most amazing and magical thing in the (known) universe; it's the most important thing in our lives. It's so amazing that science doesn't know how to create it.
Consciousness is the most amazing and magical thing in the (known) universe; it's the most important thing in our lives. It's so amazing that science doesn't know how to create it.