As I tried to explain it takes two to tango. He is hostile because of reasons I mentioned before. The crowd feeds of this hostility, because that is what crowds do. Things escalate. Brake the circle! Be a good human! The thing to do is to not feed the evil god of hostility. You don't see me hostile towards him do you? No, I save my hostility for real assholes. Those wankers who really deserve it. I presume Paul's main interest was in the beginning to discuss science. Of course forum dynamics have sometimes taken him away from this objective. Just like forum dynamics have taken me away from discussing science. I think I had my first 1000 posts mostly only in the biology subforum. I hardly ever ventured out to places such as freethought, politics or religion. Now I spend most of my time in feedback, about members, SOF and the cesspool. They are rather safe forums with not so much chance of things getting out of hand, since I am bit of a drama queen myself. In conclusion, the xev thread had nothing to do with how this all started. It was an end result.