Germanwings Tragedy - Is it now all about the money?

[Kristoffer]

So a 150 dead ain't a tragedy in your view, QQ? You sicken me.

 

[Quantum Quack]

So a 150 dead ain't a tragedy in your view, QQ? You sicken me.

I suppose you think that the next 150+ dead because of a possible cover up is any less sickening?
Why do you think I am challenging the so-called evidence?
Your desire to bury the potential of Airbus equipment failure under the unproven suicide of a co-pilot is considerably more sickening.


Well what have you got to say?
That it is ok to blame a co-pilot before the case is actually proven against him?
Or are you just going to spew your nonsense and run?

 

[Kittamaru]

but it is feasible given, especially given the spat of terrorist activity in recent times.

Especially the Charlie Hebdo attack on 7th Jan 2015

So armed gunmen storming into a building where a satirical magazine is published and slaughtering people is now somehow the same as sneaking into a restricted area and cracking complicated and proprietary software?

Allow me to give an appropriate response to that "correlation"

It was reported as such yes...

By whom was it reported as "trivial"? A member of the flight crew? The ground mechanics?
Obviously, it couldn't have been that "trivial" if they felt it was worth looking into.

but it is feasible yes?

It is also feasible that bigfoot(s) is/are real, and the reason we haven't found their remains yet is because before they die they communicate with a race of extraterrestrials who come and take them away for space-cremation...

Just because something is feasible (in so much as it cannot be utterly dis-proven) doesn't mean it is probable.

normally the crank shaft and engine block survive. Cast iron, hardened steel, and titanium are pretty indestructable if you have a look at other crash scenes for comparison if you wish to confirm.

In this case the FDBB survived then why not the hardened shafts?
You will notice the images of the VRBB show a VRBB badly damaged but apparently useable to BEA after hitting the ground at "several hundred MPH?... so go figure your logic...

Does it look pulverized to you?
See any burn marks, soot deposits, melting?

I don't. Maybe I need to change my glasses , wait... ok... nope same thing...

I presume by VRBB you mean the Black Box recorder (typically called an FDR or Flight Data Recorder, and maybe you mean the CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder)... I don't know how/where you got VRBB from) If so - you ARE aware that this is a special component designed specifically to survive a crash and fire... they are also typically located in the tail of the aircraft:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_recorder

Contrary to the popular term "black box", the exterior of the FDR is coated with heat-resistant bright orangepaint for high visibility in wreckage, and the unit is usually mounted in the aircraft's empennage (tail section), where it is more likely to survive a severe crash.
FDRs are usually located in the rear of the aircraft, typically in the tail. In this position, the entire front of the aircraft is expected to act as a "crush zone" to reduce the shock that reaches the recorder. Also, modern FDRs are typically double wrapped in strong corrosion-resistant stainless steel or titanium, with high-temperature insulation inside. They are usually bright orange. An underwater locator beacon is mounted on a bracket bolted to the front of an FDR, this is designed to emit an ultrasonic "ping" for up to 30 days and can operate immersed to a depth of up to 6,000 meters (20,000 ft).[18][19]

Now, I dont' know about you, but it seems to me like that between having the entire aircraft to act as a shock absorber, and being purpose-built out of incredibly strong materials, it would be far more likely to survive than most other components...

Oh please if you were as you say you would be arguing much more rationally.

Is that so? I dare say it is interesting how you know my mental state at this time - are you a spy?

Of course the OS is rebooted and of course the Virus (if any) is/was hiding in the files that support the OS.

Oh, do they now? So now you, oh great expert on all things computational, are saying that the virus has to be in the OS software itself? You are aware that it is incredibly trivial to write a startup script that is run as the OS loads and can be given priority to run before another application (such as, say, a users antivirus system). Or, if one wants to be really mean, they could create something that infects the BIOS/CMOS itself (or the UEFI that newer boards are using)... even worse are viruses that infect the firmware chips of hardware:
As researchers at Kaspersky Labs discovered:

ONE OF THE most shocking parts of the recently discovered spying network Equation Group is its mysterious module designed to reprogram or reflash a computer hard drive’s firmware with malicious code. The Kaspersky researchers who uncovered this said its ability to subvert hard drive firmware—the guts of any computer—“surpasses anything else” they had ever seen.

The hacking tool, believed to be a product of the NSA, is significant because subverting the firmware gives the attackers God-like control of the system in a way that is stealthy and persistent even through software updates. The module, named “nls_933w.dll”, is the first of its kind found in the wild and is used with both the EquationDrug and GrayFish spy platforms Kaspersky uncovered.

However, creating stuff like this requires a lot of time, access, and a depth of understanding that surpasses a mere maintenance person.

The captain of this flight AA8501, didn't know whether the FAC had a virus or not.. He was simply doing what his Military training required him to do. Reboot the system and start again...why else would he disconnect the FAC... just for fun perhaps?

Or, perhaps, as they said, they were getting unusual activity/alarms from it, so he disabled it out of consideration that it could be malfunctioning - after all, the pilot has neither the expertise nor the experience to troubleshoot it mid-flight.

oh ..please.. don't forget the political influences and the huge amount of money involved in this... ( Consumer confidence in air flight is enormously important. )
Given that the investigation is never open to independent review and pubic scrutiny the fact that they are specialist works against them. You know .."the more you know, the more power you have, the more potentially corrupt you become"

AHa, and now we come to the crux of it - people like you can find "fear gambits" in just about anything.

*note also BEA and Airbus involvement in :
Air Canada flight 624 March 29th 2015 crash

There is no protection against this potential as far as I can see.

It must be scary, to live in this world with the kind of outlook you have...

 

[Kittamaru]

Your desire to bury the potential of Airbus equipment failure under the unproven suicide of a co-pilot is considerably more sickening.

And your desire to try and excuse away the actions of this man and try to blame some made up conspiracy bullshit is beyond sickening - it's abhorrent.

 

[Quantum Quack]

Is that so? I dare say it is interesting how you know my mental state at this time - are you a spy?

hee hee I have my methods...

 

[Kittamaru]

hee hee I have my methods...

 

[Quantum Quack]

So far
MH370 has gone inexplicably missing
Air Asia8501 had a proven FAC failure.
Germanwings flies at 700 kph into a mountain.
And now we have had an A320 flight in Canada go down
and you wish to kick back and ignore the obvious...

 

[Quantum Quack]

hee hee .. why do you think you are more interested in attacking me instead of dealing with the topic of this thread? guess...

play the man and not the ball...? why?

 

[Kittamaru]

So far
MH370 has gone inexplicably missing
Air Aisia had a proven FAC failure.
Germanwings flies at 700 kph into a mountain.
And now we have had a flight in Canada go down
and you wish to kick back and ignore the obvious...

Ignore the obvious fear-mongers such as yourself? Yes, I'd love to be able to ignore them - unfortunately, some of us have to take a stand against what can only be described as paranoid delusions.

I am curious... what group, exactly, is responsible for these varied and differing incidents? Is it the Illuminati perhaps?

Careful, if you keep poking around in their business, they might make you disappear! lol

 

[Kittamaru]

hee hee .. why do you think you are more interested in attacking me instead of dealing with the topic of this thread? guess...

play the man and not the ball...? why?

The ball has already been played - it was spiked into the ground at your feet by several arguments born of logic, fact, and rational thinking. You are the one standing there waving a shuttlecock racket around and swinging at imaginary insects.

 

[Quantum Quack]

Ignore the obvious fear-mongers such as yourself? Yes, I'd love to be able to ignore them - unfortunately, some of us have to take a stand against what can only be described as paranoid delusions.

I am curious... what group, exactly, is responsible for these varied and differing incidents? Is it the Illuminati perhaps?

Careful, if you keep poking around in their business, they might make you disappear! lol

No they wont...
and no it is not that simple...

but they might want you to disappear just like they might want a heap of passengers to...

 

[Quantum Quack]

The ball has already been played - it was spiked into the ground at your feet by several arguments born of logic, fact, and rational thinking. You are the one standing there waving a shuttlecock racket around and swinging at imaginary insects.

What logic?.. what facts?
Call to authority is not much good.
Facts that aren't media hype ...very few.
At the moment no one knows jack shit.

 

[Quantum Quack]

and what do you have to say about the CVRBB they reckon they found with out resorting to authority and attacking me because the truth is staring you in the face.

compare these two recovered flight recorders:

 

[Kittamaru]

No they wont...
and no it is not that simple...

but they might want you to disappear just like they might want a heap of passengers to...

Why would they want one of their own to disappear?

What logic?.. what facts?
Call to authority is not much good.
Facts that aren't media hype ...very few.
At the moment no one knows jack shit.

You really are blinded by your paranoia. Every question you have asked has been replied to, and you ignore it... it's borderline troll behavior. I guess it's a good thing you are posting in the crank sections - this kind of woo bullshit wouldn't be accepted in the science sub-forums

 

[Kittamaru]

and what do you have to say about the CVRBB they reckon they found with out resorting to authority and attacking me because the truth is staring you in the face.

compare these two recovered flight recorders:

What in the flying hell is a CVRBB? Stop making up words and acronyms...

FDR = Flight Data Recorder
CVR = Cockpit Voice Recorder

And what are you asking about them? Why is the one more mangled than the other? Why is the one on the bottom grey? What are you asking here?

 

[Quantum Quack]

well to digress back a few posts, the top red painted CVR was apparently recovered from a crash site that was littered with totally pulverized bits and pieces . In fact not even the engines nor the landing gear and tyres survived such pulverizing. Yet here was have a CVR BB that is still painted red made from plate steel and stainless steel, still relatively intact...

The lower CVR is a black box recovered from an actual plane crash.. The above one well, who knows...it could have come from any where, but certainly not a hot pulverizing accident like purported.

You need to prove to your self that it is genuine.. do the research , look at the available crash site images and make your own judgement...

Does this look pulverized to you?

 

[Kittamaru]

well to digress back a few posts, the top red painted CVR was apparently recovered from a crash site that was littered with totally pulverized bits and pieces . In fact not even the engines nor the landing gear and tyres survived such pulverizing. Yet here was have a CVR BB that is still painted red made from plate steel and stainless steel still relatively intact... How is that?

The lower CVR is a black box recovered from an actual plane crash.. The above one well who knows...it coudl have come form any where, butr certainly not a hot pulverizing accident like purported.

1) What evidence do you have that the red CVR was made from plate/stainless steel and not the titanium container that is commonly used?
2) Again, we are talking about a device mounted at the rear of the plane - it is quite feasible that, upon impact, it sheared off and bounced out of the immediate crash zone, and thus was not in any actual fire.
3) Again, we are talking a device designed to survive virtually anything that could befall the aircraft... the rest of its components are not.

You say the lower CVR was recovered from an "actual plane crash"... are you now claiming the co-pilot didn't manage to get the plane into the dirt? If so... where is it, and where did the debris come from?

 

[Quantum Quack]

And if I am not mistaken the writing is in French when it should be in German...

 

[Quantum Quack]

1) What evidence do you have that the red CVR was made from plate/stainless steel and not the titanium container that is commonly used?
2) Again, we are talking about a device mounted at the rear of the plane - it is quite feasible that, upon impact, it sheared off and bounced out of the immediate crash zone, and thus was not in any actual fire.
3) Again, we are talking a device designed to survive virtually anything that could befall the aircraft... the rest of its components are not.

You say the lower CVR was recovered from an "actual plane crash"... are you now claiming the co-pilot didn't manage to get the plane into the dirt? If so... where is it, and where did the debris come from?

see post #461

 

[Quantum Quack]

The actual bit that is made of stainless steel or titanium is the cylindrical bit. The rest is pressed steel. Possibly 3mm gauge

I used to work with this sort of steel a lot as a welder (DLI Ticket)
The folded steel parts have not been pulverized when everything else on the site more or less has been including both engines, and landing gear. ( according to the huge number of images published.)

*Stainless steel or titanium is not typically folded as it is way to tough, it cracks or shatters...