yep the whole craft was pulverized including the tail... you got that bit right...
Germanwings Tragedy - Is it now all about the money?
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yep the whole craft was pulverized including the tail... you got that bit right...
You posted a picture of it. Its contents match what we know of the incident.
A girlfriend of a stewardess is irrelevant.
Correct. Aircraft do not have cockpit video recorders.
Rock is stronger than aluminum. Let me know if you would like more in the way of details there.
150 passengers, 150 bodies found. From CNN: "In addition, out of more than 2,000 DNA samples collected from the crash site, lab workers have isolated 150 DNA profiles, said Brice Robin, Marseilles prosecutor. The crash killed all 150 people on board."
Thus supporting the understanding that the copilot intentionally committed suicide.
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The plane was pulverised. There are very few large bits of the plane left.
There is credible CVR. Perhaps for people like you, it does not exist. But for normal and sane people, there is a credible CVR.
No sign of fire? Have you not looked at the images of the crash site? Some bits are blackened and other bits are not.
No bodies? They were pulverised into tiny little bits. What do you think happens when a plane smashes into a mountain?
No engines? Gee, there's a suprise, it crashed into a mountain!
No communications from the cockpit? Well, again, hardly surprising when the co-pilot locked the captain out of the cockpit and then deliberately flew the plane into a mountain. Did you expect him to hold small talk with air traffic control?
No impact crater? It smashed into the side of a mountain and broke up into tiny little bits, with a few large bits having survived, but most of it became tiny little bits of debris and dead bodies. That is what happens when a plane smashes into a mountain side at high speed.
so explain how the CVR survived "pulverization" as it seems to have?
Logically with out call to media or other authority...
Including paint remaining on the unit
One was in a fire. One wasn't. What, specifically, confuses you?
Look I am no Judge in a court room but If I was I would be thinking that the entire case against the co-pilot is dependent on proving that this CVR is actually from the crash scene.
A far as I can tell it there is no reason to believe that it does.
Immediately the Judge would be questioning the veracity of any claim made subsequently.
Therefore until it is proven the case will no doubt be dismissed.
The defense for the co-pilot are going to have a field day and you know it.
A far as I can tell it there is no reason to believe that it does.
Immediately the Judge would be questioning the veracity of any claim made subsequently.
Therefore until it is proven the case will no doubt be dismissed.
The defense for the co-pilot are going to have a field day and you know it.
This isn't a court case. It's an investigation. Different rules apply.
No one is going to charge the copilot with murder. The investigation will merely rule on what happened and why the airplane crashed - and they will base their decisions on the facts, not some nutso Internet conspiracy theory. That's how it works.
as I wrote "If I was a judge in a court room...."
are you sure as this is not considered as an accident at the moment I believe...
You can't have it both ways: an accident or a mass murder .....
If it is a mass murder you have to prove it to be so and therefore if not an accident it will be handled by a different authority to the BEA etc.
I might add if it is a "cover up" as I am suggesting then we just have to wait for the next "accident" to happen and deal with it all again...
because the problem ain't going to go away all on it's own.
because the problem ain't going to go away all on it's own.
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Again, you are confusing an ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION with a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. They are not the same. They are not treated the same. They do not use the same rules. They do not have the same standards of proof. Their goals are different. Their reports are different.
Why? All the aviation authorities care about is preventing this from happening again. Thus their conclusion is "a different cockpit lock may have prevented this" or "two people in the cockpit at all times may have prevented this." Their conclusion is not "guilty."
Your imagination is insufficient reason to waste time on silly theories.
The Prosecutor's office is a superior body than the BEA. It is a criminal investigation which will rely on evidence presented. That evidence includes but is not restricted by BEA assessments. If the matter goes to court the issue of the CVR will be critical in determining guilt or not.
If he is found guilty, think they will give him the death penalty?
Knowing how daft the law can be.. probably...
If found guilty of deliberate mass murder, the compensation payout by the Airlines insurers will be significantly less I would imagine as negligence by the airline is no longer the case. ( no known security system could prevent it from occurring)
The fact that he may already be deceased does not preclude the need for criminal trial proceedings. ( As I speculated in the Opening post to this thread)
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I sincerely hope that it does go to court. Only then will all the evidence face "proper" scrutiny and become public record.
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But I doubt if this charade will last the distance... probably next few days and we shall see some embarrassed media outlets. ( and sciforum posters 
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and it wont be me regardless because all I have done is ask the questions and speculated on the answers...
And all you guys have done is reject the need to ask the questions...
)and it wont be me regardless because all I have done is ask the questions and speculated on the answers...
And all you guys have done is reject the need to ask the questions...
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As a humorous aside:
Air India A320 2015/04/07
"A dispute in the cockpit of an Air India jetliner has resulted in the suspension of a commander and co-pilot, the country’s state-owned flag carrier says.
The two officers were removed from duty pending an internal investigation after what the airline termed a “minor argument” before they flew an Airbus 320 loaded with passengers from Jaipur in northwest India to Delhi, the capital."
src: http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/...ds-pilots-as-it-investigates-fight-on-flight/
I wonder what they were arguing about!?
Air India A320 2015/04/07
"A dispute in the cockpit of an Air India jetliner has resulted in the suspension of a commander and co-pilot, the country’s state-owned flag carrier says.
The two officers were removed from duty pending an internal investigation after what the airline termed a “minor argument” before they flew an Airbus 320 loaded with passengers from Jaipur in northwest India to Delhi, the capital."
src: http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/...ds-pilots-as-it-investigates-fight-on-flight/
I wonder what they were arguing about!?
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Also does any one know how many tyres are on board the plane? (landing gear, tyres etc)
No sign of them from wreck zone footage...
Also no footage showing the location of the CVR before being extracted...
If you are interested here is an actual CVR recording of an actual airline crisis.(tragedy)..1985
4 out of 524 manage to survive
No sign of them from wreck zone footage...
Also no footage showing the location of the CVR before being extracted...
If you are interested here is an actual CVR recording of an actual airline crisis.(tragedy)..1985
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