Dear Believers, prove your god or gods is/aren't just fiction(s).

[Trek]

So the onus is on YOU to give an argument for a god or gods. Not proof, EVERYONE agrees that is not possible.
Give your arguments.

You cited the FINITE universe, this is YOUR argument right?

That may be the case if we were arguing for or against the existence of God. But the thread doesn’t ask for that and even if we change “proof” to “evidence”, there is still no way to determine if anything anyone believes (abiogenesis) is fiction.Even if you don’t agree, it is still my submitted evidence.

The best explanation for the appearance of the universe is the cosmological argument based on the evidence that the universe had a beginning.
Why do I have to keep repeating this?

 

[Trek]

The dead ones or the ones still alive?

All of them

 

[Pinball1970]

evidence that the universe had a beginning

The evidence is that it didn't have a beginning and I have explained that to you.

 

[Trek]

The opposite, I practically begged you to stop deflecting and stick to the thread.
Too difficult for you though right?

The thread is kind of nonsensical.
Even the the thread poster is taking potshots

 

[Pinball1970]

, there is still no way to determine if anything anyone believes (abiogenesis) is fiction

Yes there is. I posted threads on it.

 

[Pinball1970]

The thread is kind of nonsensical.

Asking for believers to justify their position? Why is that nonsensical?

 

[Trek]

Asking for believers to justify their position? Why is that nonsensical?

That’s not what the thread asks.
There is no answer for the thread

 

[Pinball1970]

That’s not what the thread asks.
There is no answer for the thread

Agreed we are asking for evidence now not proof. Your evidence is the cosmos and cell/goo.
We are discussing that.

 

[Trek]

Agreed we are asking for evidence now not proof. Your evidence is the cosmos and cell/goo.
We are discussing that.

No we’re not

 

[Pinball1970]

I'm willing to cut you some reasonable slack, though. I ask only for evidence that your God isn't fiction

Trek as Per James clarification is quoted here.

We are discussing YOUR evidence, your reasons why we should not think the notion of a god is fiction

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

All of them

Then you have a death wish.

 

[(Q)]

The best evidence to date regarding the origin of the universe is the Big Bang theory.
So I regard it as evidence.

Then, what do you need God for?

 

[DaveC426913]

So why do you think, given that your definition of God is the same as mine, that external evidence of God is needed to know God is real?

If your and my definition of Santa Claus matched, do we conclude that Santa is a real, magical person?

 

[DaveC426913]

No we’re not

So here we see that Trek is not willing to concede even a single-word alteration in the thread direction from anyone who asks for evidence rather than proof

- and yet he continues to try to turn the entire bus around and point it at 'why do atheists think there is no evidence of God'.

Hypocrisy is yet another Jan tactic from many years ago.

 

[Trek]

So here we see that Trek is not willing to concede even a single-word alteration in the thread direction from anyone who asks for evidence rather than proof

I’ve already responded.
I’ve given what I regard as evidence for God.
As for convincing atheist that God is not fiction. I can’t because you can think whatever you like is fiction. But if you’re insistent the fact that there is something as opposed to nothing shows that God is not fiction, and that God is not only in my head.
Cool!

- and yet he continues to try to turn the entire bus around and point it at 'why do atheists think there is no evidence of God'.

 

[DaveC426913]

As for convincing atheist that God is not fiction.
I can’t because you can think whatever you like is fiction.

Indeed. And you can think whatever you like is not fiction.

What do we do? We look at the facts.

You think The Big Bang is evidence of God. Why? Because it seems like magic it has to have a magical origin? That is a very low bar to set. There's no basis for it except your faith.

Notice, we are not in the same position you are. You are arguing to convince us there is a God. I am not trying to convince anyone there is no God; I am simply saying your case for God is not made - it holds no water.

And I don't tend to believe things just because other people believe in them. Lots of people believe in all sorts of superstitions; that's a lousy reason for believing them oneself.

 

[Write4U]

Ok.
My bad
But I still maintain that the cosmological argument best explains the evidence of how this finite universe came to be.
Now can we move on?

No, your argument is not about how this finite universe came to be, but why this came to be.

On the one hand, the argument arises from human curiosity as to why there is something rather than nothing or than something else.

Cosmological Argument (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Can you answer the question why the universe came to be and why it took 14+ billion years before God decided to create man?

 

[billvon]

As for convincing atheist that God is not fiction. I can’t because you can think whatever you like is fiction.

Well, no. You can't because you have no evidence other than what's in your head.

 

[Trek]

Forget it guys
You’re all too sensitive for this kind of discussion.
You just want me to get banned.

 

[Pinball1970]

You’re all too sensitive for this kind of discussion.

Stop lying.

There is ample opportunity to go on my thread and discuss the reasons for atheism but you won't.
There is the option of starting a thread worded exactly how you want it but you won't.

Plus the small matter that myself and others have answered your questions multiple times already.

Do you need me to answer again? Prove I am not sensitive?

God - infinite all powerful creator
Rejected because? Scripture did not stack up and science provided all my answers.

That makes FIVE times I have answered