Dear Believers, prove your god or gods is/aren't just fiction(s).

Trek said:
There is evidence to back those arguments but that is not the point. I regard them as evidence. If you don’t agree, that’s not really my problem
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You're buying a house and an inspector shows you evidence of wrought in the foundation or your doctor shows you evidence of a tumor or your mechanic shows you evidence of burned out brakes, these are all things you and I and everyone else would most likely agree are evidence of those things.

How is the evidence in those arguments remotely the same as these examples especially considering they do not convince the vast majority of people?
 
DaveC426913 said:
Becasue you have also acknowledged you don't know God exists outside your head.
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Evidence suggests God caused the universe.
Again you may not agree, but I don’t care.
DaveC426913 said:
That means it is no more than your personal opinion, which, as you point out, disqualifies it as evidence.
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Read above.
Why are you afraid to get passed this point?
It’s really apparent now! :D
 
Trek said:
Ive given my evidence for, and definition of, God. Thank you.
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Not really. You gave two philosophical arguments (which aren't evidence) and you made a claim that cells are, like, really complex and how, like, that means God must've made 'em.

You then decided that my comments on your "evidence" were too hard to deal with, so you ignored them and tried to change the subject.
 
Trek said:
I edited that response…
Ok.
My bad
But I still maintain that the cosmological argument best explains the evidence of how this finite universe came to be.
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The CA is a philosophical argument, based on views, opinions and mostly human curiosity as to a first cause. It doesn't explain any evidence at all.
 
James R said:
Not really. You gave two philosophical arguments (which aren't evidence) and you made a claim that cells are, like, really complex and how, like, that means God must've made 'em.
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They are imo the best explanations of the evidence.
 
(Q) said:
The CA is a philosophical argument, based on views, opinions and mostly human curiosity as to a first cause. It doesn't explain any evidence at all.
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It explains how the universe began, based on the evidence that shows the universe had a beginning (big bang theory)
 
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Again, the current thread is for believers to provide their evidence that shows that their gods aren't just fiction.
 
Trek said:
It explains how the universe began, based on the evidence that shows the universe had a beginning (big bang theory)
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The CA goes back many centuries, the earliest versions in Platos Laws and later firmly rooted in Aristotles Metaphysics, looooong before we knew anything about BB theory.
 
Trek said:
That’s fine.
Let’s move on
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Hats off to you, you are finally giving your arguments for the existence of god.
Cells/life and the cosmos.

Just those things yes?

Scientists have a ton of evidence on why a god is not required for those things.
Are you aware of this body of knowledge?
 
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