that is kind of mean . That is what we are talking about in the way of offensive . It does look good . Me German heritage is liken it
Christians please explain the eating of pork
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that is kind of mean . That is what we are talking about in the way of offensive . It does look good . Me German heritage is liken it
This has probably been mentioned, byut the Jews are in a special covenant with God, and that agreement with Him requires that they follow certain rules. They are not "cursed," they are His "chosen people."
Christians are not Jews and under a new covenant (a "New Testament") with God, with different rules.
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He quoted the passages in the new testament that explain why Christians don't give a fuck about pork. Most Christians probably don't even know them. He answered your question exactly. You are looking like a complete fool.
So you don't believe the Bible is God's word?
So it seems its God (Lord?) saying that this is the law. According to Christ, the law of Moses 'not a jot shall pass unless all is fulfilled'.. And whether you care about all of it or not is irrelevant because Jesus himself said that anyone who breaks 'least' of the law or teaches against it will be questioned.... So are you telling me that YOU just don't give a crap about it- or do you plan to support your belief with your scripture or at least Jesus? Or do you not accept Jesus's words himself about the importance of law? Are you following your own religion or are you following what Christ told you?
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Which law ? I believe in the bible there is word of God but not all what is written is the word God, There is written history and some is not very nice .
Again , the base is love thy God , and love you fellow man as your self.
What Jesus said , we don't know in what context and to whom he said . We can extrapolate many things and they can burdensome.
The PROBLEM is NOT finding a verse which makes it legal to eat pork.. The PROBLEM is Jesus breaking the law by teaching against the old law BEFORE the old law was fulfilled.
According to Jesus 'not a jot shall pass away' until it is all fulfilled- the Christians say the 'fulfillment' (and thus the taking away of the law) was the sinless Jesus who lived by it to the dot....
The question (and thus the PROBLEM) I raise is that by legalizing pork Jesus broke the law by his own words...
I'm not asking people to find a verse that says pork is fine- I'm asking people to reconcile the problem that ARISES due to it....
Its not me who's looking like a fool- it seems no one here understands the problem that is created- and they're just giving me verses which I already know.. Even I quoted in the OP "all is lawful unto you"- I didn't need any other quote to support the idea you can eat pork..
But if you read the OP- I describe the problems that come out of any such notion. No one is addressing them!
Peace be unto you
So the quote I gave you from Leviticus in which God is speaking himself is not authentic in your eyes?
How do you choose which parts of the bible are god's word- it may be that the whole NT is not and the OT is?
Peace be unto you
The PROBLEM is NOT finding a verse which makes it legal to eat pork.. The PROBLEM is Jesus breaking the law by teaching against the old law BEFORE the old law was fulfilled.
According to Jesus 'not a jot shall pass away' until it is all fulfilled- the Christians say the 'fulfillment' (and thus the taking away of the law) was the sinless Jesus who lived by it to the dot....
The question (and thus the PROBLEM) I raise is that by legalizing pork Jesus broke the law by his own words...
I'm not asking people to find a verse that says pork is fine- I'm asking people to reconcile the problem that ARISES due to it....
Its not me who's looking like a fool- it seems no one here understands the problem that is created- and they're just giving me verses which I already know.. Even I quoted in the OP "all is lawful unto you"- I didn't need any other quote to support the idea you can eat pork..
But if you read the OP- I describe the problems that come out of any such notion. No one is addressing them!
Peace be unto you
Wow I guess you better kill all the Christians then huh?
Jesus preached to Jews who then became 'Christians' but they were still 'jews'. So can we say that those Christians who are descendants of Jews are still under the law while the Gentile Christians are not... even so..
The problem is Jesus broke the law. Jesus told his followers to follow it- and if he broke the law he was not sinless on the cross (the salvation is challenged), and the law is NOT fulfilled, which is what Paul quotes as a reason that the law need not be followed (remember PAUL was a JEW!)
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Jesus did not say this, I think. Could be wrong, but I don't remember it.
Paul definitely said it, but to a specific group, the Corinthians. The people of Corinth in particular, and gentiles extrapolating from that.
"Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive.
1 Corinthians 10:23
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/10-23.htm
Can you quote Book, Chapter and Verse, so we know which verse we are talking about. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. He was not telling Jews to stop obeying Jewish laws.
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Jesus could break the rules because he made the rules. He saw himself as connected to the same source as that which generated the original rules, so he felt he could transcend them and it would not be a transgression. Part of it is also a cultural thing, the Christians wanted to be different than the Jews.
teaching against the law is breaking the law according to Jesus- I think i quoted that verse with reference before. Anyways I think Captain resolved the issue.
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Good Catch!
I've heard these general arguments but I didn't realize that the quote 'everything is lawful unto you' was just some dude paraphrasing the meaning of a quote as they understood.
Yep, such a verse doesn''t exit! Thanks, so that resolves it
Should have checked on it myself. But it seems it is the Mark and Mathew that people have been quoting where they take it to mean Jesus legalized all foods is the argument.So as long as people don't interpret the Mark and Matthew verse to mean the legalization of all foods- I think that would resolve this issue.
Again nice catch.
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So the quote I gave you from Leviticus in which God is speaking himself is not authentic in your eyes?
How do you choose which parts of the bible are god's word- it may be that the whole NT is not and the OT is?
Peace be unto you
I select things based on Jesus teaching . 2 Commandments 1) Love thy God with all your hearth 2) and love thy fellow man as you self. According all laws to man are based on these two commandment. The rest addition are complementary