Answer the question.

sideshowbob said:
You don't need to worry about the units unless you're measuring a quantity. For now, all you have to understand is that the gasoline contains heat energy as well as chemical energy.
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So the gas contains energy, but not in measurable units of energy such as kw-hr?

Gas contains ice cream too, but you can't see it, and you can't measure it, so no need for units. :rolleyes:
 
Motor Daddy said:
So the gas contains energy, but not in measurable units of energy such as kw-hr?
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No, I didn't say that. I said that you don't ned to worry about units unless you're trying to measure something. At the moment, we're not trying to measure the energy in the gasoline. We're just trying to get you to understand that it's there.

So again, if there is no heat energy in the gasoline, why does it melt the ice cube?
 
sideshowbob said:
No, I didn't say that. I said that you don't ned to worry about units unless you're trying to measure something. At the moment, we're not trying to measure the energy in the gasoline. We're just tryung to get you to understand that it's there.

So again, if there is no heat energy in the gasoline, why does it melt the ice cube?
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I do in fact worry about HOW MUCH energy is in the gas. You claim the gas has energy, but you can't tell me how much.

I can't tell you how much ice cream is in the gas either. ;)
 
sideshowbob said:
All of it.

I've answered your questions in good faith. Why won't you answer mine? If it isn't heat energy that melts the ice, what is it?
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You haven't answered squat! You're avoiding the agony of defeat! But the problem isn't going away! ;)

How much energy is spread out in a gallon of gas?

"All of it" is like saying "all of the ice cream is in the gas", duh?
 
Motor Daddy said:
You haven't answered squat! You're avoiding the agony of defeat!
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You can't "defeat" me without making a point of some kind. All you've done is display your lack of understanding. I'm willing to help you understand but you have to put some effort into it.

What causes the ice to melt? When you've answered that, we can move on.
 
sideshowbob said:
You can't "defeat" me without making a point of some kind. All you've done is display your lack of understanding. I'm willing to help you understand but you have to put some effort into it.
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Help me then! I need help understanding how much energy is spread out in 1 gallon of gasoline? What I want to know is how many kw-hr of energy is spread out in a gallon of gasoline? You made the claim, now you want it to go away???
 
sideshowbob said:
I can only help you if you bring something to the table.
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You made a claim that gas contains spread out energy. I simply bring to the table a question: How much energy is spread out in the gallon of gas?

So simple a question for someone of high intellect like yourself. You made the claim, surely you can defend it?
 
Motor Daddy said:
You made a claim that gas contains spread out energy. I simply bring to the table a question: How much energy is spread out in the gallon of gas?
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Bringing a question isn't enough; you have to think about the answer too. When you've thought about it, answer the question and we'll continue: What causes ice to melt?
 
Motor Daddy said:
So you make a claim, and me asking a question isn't enough?
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You haven't demonstrated any understanding of the subject, so we need to start by determining what you do understand. What do you understand about melting ice? What causes it to melt?
 
sideshowbob said:
You haven't demonstrated any understanding of the subject, so we need to start by determining what you do understand.
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No, we need to start with what a unit of energy is. You've demonstrated to me beyond a reasonable doubt that you don't understand what energy is and what a unit of energy is. So we need to start crawling before we start walking, eh?
 
sideshowbob said:
Indeed we do, so when you're ready to crawl, tell us what you understand about melting.
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I understand that heat melts plastic. I understand that gas is in a plastic container. I understand that the gas is not melting the container.

You, on the other hand, claim the gas has spread out energy, but you want to try to withhold information about how much energy is spread out in the gas.

I don't know how to ask any more clearly. How much energy is spread out in the gas? How many kw-hr is spread out in the gas?
 
sideshowbob said:
That's a start. You also understand, as you stated earlier, that ice melts in water. Do you also understand that ice will melt in gasoline?
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I don't know, what is the temp of the gas and what is the temp of the ice? If the gas is 30 degrees and you put a 30 degree ice cube in the gas, and the room is 30 degrees, you're saying the ice cube will melt due to heat?
 
Motor Daddy said:
I don't know, what is the temp of the gas and what is the temp of the ice? If the gas is 30 degrees and you put a 30 degree ice cube in the gas, and the room is 30 degrees, you're saying the ice cube will melt due to heat?
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I haven't said anything about numbers. Like your own example, think of a can of gasoline at room temperature and an ice cube. Will the gasoline melt the ice? If so, how? If not, why not?
 
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