??? Is this you telling me you haven't read what people have said without actually telling me you haven't read what people have said?There's a lot of hysteria here from a few people, who seem to be wanting to read in racism, transphobia and more, not only into material written or said by JKR, but also into material written and said by other people, like Jon Stewart, for example. Of course, the hysteria doesn't stop there. It extends to what people have written and said right here on sciforums.
Provide evidence, for example, of where anyone has suggested that Jon Stewart has said or written anything antisemitic, or transphobic? I mean, have you actually read what has been written in this thread?
As to you actually responding to the questions I asked:...
I don’t agree that it’s worth it when it is superfluous, e.g. when, as in this case, you are simply restating what has already been posted (albeit via a link). In full. This entire thread is about what JKR has said, for example. And the tropes that are actually in the Potter books. (Have you read the books, James R?) And about what Stewart has said and written, both as criticism of the antisemitic tropes in the book, and in defence of JKR as an anti-semite.I think it's worth injecting a reality check now and then, using what people have actually said and written. You know, to put some fact and balance into the "debate". Don't you agree?
I also don’t think it’s worth it if all you’re doing is repeating that which has already been posted, and doing so without comment. You criticise others for simply posting videos without comment, and here you were posting a response by Stewart without comment.
??? Is this you telling me you haven't read what Tiassa has said without actually telling me you haven't read what Tiassa has said?Is it not clear to you that Tiassa is continually cherry-picking what he quotes of articles like the BBC one? I mean, the whole article is explicitly about Jon Stewart saying he didn't mean to accuse JKR of anti-semitism. He explicitly says, in addition, that he doesn't think that the Harry Potter movies are anti-semitic. But Tiassa didn't quote any of what Jon Stewart actually said.
First he links to the BBC article that has the quote in full. So he’s not hiding anything, despite your desperate wish for him to be so nefarious.
He then clearly summarises Stewart’s view. To wit:
“But Stewart didn't say Rowling is an antisemite. Rather, he observed the presence of historically antisemitic tropes in the film.” – Tiassa – post #480
Are you disagreeing with this summary of what Stewart has said, taking into account both the quote in the BBC article and what he has previously said, explicitly highlighting the presence of historically antisemitic tropes in the film?
So you really haven’t read what anyone has been saying. Okay. Got it. Is there any point in me reading more of what you've offered when you misrepresent, or simply misunderstand, what people are saying.It follows that if Tiassa - or you, or parmalee - want to argue that Harry Potter is anti-semitic, it doesn't help any of you to point to Jon Stewart and pretend that he thinks they are. It does nothing to help you make a case.
But let’s start here: do you understand the difference between…
• That one has done something antisemitic, or resembling antisemitism.
• That one is an antisemite.
Or do you think that saying that you think someone has done something that resembles antisemitism is an accusation of them being an antisemite?
The only one not understanding, James R, is you, which seems to be due to the fact you haven't actually read what people have been saying, but instead relying on your view of your history with them...Understand? Tiassa surely does not. I don't think parmalee does, either.
WTF?It's also no coincidence that the three of you are teaming up to try to paint myself and foghorn as anti-semites and transphobes.
There is no "teaming up", there is also, on my part at least, no effort to try and paint anyone as an antisemite or transphobe. So an apology would be appreciated. Or can you point to anything I've said that suggests I'm trying to do that?
Tell you what, James R, try reading and understanding what people are writing, rather than relying on your interpretation of their history. You are letting your emotions obscure you actually paying attention.After all we have:
As result, the three of you are running around wielding your metaphorical tar brushes with wild abandon.
- parmalee hates foghorn and has an ongoing personal feud with him.
- Tiassa hates me, and until recently spent years persecuting a personal grudge based on his hatred.
- You and I have a recent history of some unfortunate run-ins in which you made a bit of a fool of yourself, and you're still sore about that.
As for our own history.
Facts that people have already been cognisant of, and have been using in their analysis. If you want to disagree with their conclusion, simply restating the facts is showing you to be little more than a troll.At this stage, I'm just popping in now and then to remind y'all that there are facts, because you all seem too angry to want to pay much attention to such things, most of the time.
You didn’t post anything, James R. Hence the question I asked. I am trying to find out.No, I'm not saying that. Did anything I post suggest that? Why do you mention it?
Again, you’re really only telling me you haven’t read what anyone has said, without actually telling me. And there you were, talking about facts. You just choose to ignore them when it suits you, I guess. Ah, well.Again, no, I'm not saying that.
If, however, you want to make a case for there being something in the Harry Potter books that is antisemitic, then by all means make it. God knows nobody else has, yet.
No, you haven’t said anything, which is why I’m asking what you think. So, what are you saying on the matter, James R? Just repeating facts with no opinion of your own?I haven't said that. It might be true. Interesting concept though, when you think about it. Being anti-semitic inadvertently. People are to blame even when they aren't aware that they're in the wrong.
This is worse that the Thought Police. You're all trying to police people who haven't even had the thought.
At the moment it’s very much like:
Teacher: “James, what is 2+2? Is it 5?”
James R: “I didn’t say that!”
Teacher: “Do you think it is 6?”
James R: “Again, no, I’m not saying that.”
Teacher: “So, what do you think it is?”
James R: “Waah! Waah! This is worse than the Thought Police!”
Oh, so now you want to know my view, Sarkus? Really? I don't think you do. I think you're just looking for excuses to continue to persecute a grudge.
You made me think that I was right that you haven’t read, or at least haven’t understood, what people have been saying in this thread. You have maybe given a cursory look, but you haven’t really understood. You see the players, and you unfortunately just fill in the gaping holes with whatever satisfies your agenda.Made you think, didn't I? Well, almost.
Therefore you misrepresent, argue strawmen, and you make yourself irrelevant to the actual discussion.
That’s what I think.