Ms Rowling: insightful critic of gender policy or myopic [insult]

parmalee said:
Context is everything. I previously described myself as a "spastic kike half-breed". Now were I to say that of someone else (and were they not accurate descriptors), such could easily be construed as hate speech--or as extremely offensive, at the very least. Some might even argue that even with those qualifiers--it being said of myself and it being an accurate description--it is still extremely offensive. That's where it gets "complicated", or something like that, I guess.
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Yeah. It's a tricky one. I am of the mind that using it on oneself does not give one a pass to use a slur.

For example, when you call yourself a "kike", you are not being bigoted only to yourself, but to all Jews. It's still antisemitic, no matter who says it and no matter who it's said to.
 
Under Marxism, Fascism, Naziism, Islamism, what have you of Woke-Socialism and Globalism, One World Ism, today, a "commissar" is defined as, and called, termed, a "community organizer!" If that sounds familiar, think Barack Obama, among other Orwellian-type 'Animal Farm' / '1984' Utopian/Dystopian "community organizers."
 
parmalee said:
There weren't nothing especially "socialistic" about Naziism.
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Indeed.

On his own Hitler was going nowhere in the early 1930's. He needed to attract more people. So he glommed on to the National Socialist Party, specifically Gregor Strasser - even though Hitler himself despised socialism, since it did not inherently imbue one with political power, and in fact implied the opposite. But with his own fervent nationalism and Strasser's appeal to socialists he started to make headway, eventually becoming Chancellor.

As soon as he was Chancellor his hatred of socialism reasserted itself. He had Strasser arrested and then assassinated, so he would not have to deal with Strasser and his socialistic tendencies. Hitler hated socialism as much as our friend Atlan here does.
 
I'm a prejudiced bigot to the max! I am a frontiersman, a frontier man, A Space Age Man, a man wanting more than One World and One World (Global) Ism. I want the tree of life, the tree of evolution, the tree of knowledge, branching out, dividing out, growing out, thus surviving and prospering out, from this ever more hellishly binding trunk hellishly shredding and dividing within because it cannot or will not divide out, birth out, into the accelerating expansion of the universe! That fairly makes me a prejudiced bigot to the max! Intolerant to the max!
 
Atlan0001 said:
I'm a prejudiced bigot to the max! I am a frontiersman, a frontier man, A Space Age Man, a man wanting more than One World and One World (Global) Ism. I want the tree of life, the tree of evolution, the tree of knowledge, branching out, dividing out, growing out, thus surviving and prospering out, from this ever more hellishly binding trunk hellishly shredding and dividing within because it cannot or will not divide out, birth out, into the accelerating expansion of the universe! That fairly makes me a prejudiced bigot to the max! Intolerant to the max!
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So, you want all those things for yourself, but not for anyone who has a different skin colour, sex organs or orientation as you. They can all rot on a dying planet. Got it.
 
billvon said:
And here comes the racism. No surprise here.
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You are of awfully short memory and attention span, as well as pitifully short of brains. I told you, all, once that I was born into, born amidst, and grew up in, a fully integrated community society. But I know and grasp, as you very obviously can't grasp, that species revolutionary evolutionary branching means divisions as well as unities. That there is no singularity of Unity! Particularly NOT in an inertial entropic isolated closed system, such as Earth alone, our world alone, in the universe. I'm repeatedly told this a science website and, repeatedly, I see that you, all, or for the most part at least, can't get your heads around physics, natural laws, and the always repeating lessons of history!
 
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Atlan0001 said:
You are of awfully short memory and attention span, as well as pitifully short of brains. I told you, all, once that I was born into, born amidst, and grew up in, a fully integrated community society. But I know and grasp, as you very obviously can't grasp, that species revolutionary evolutionary branching means divisions as well as unities. That there is no singularity of Unity! Particularly NOT in an inertial entropic isolated closed system, such as Earth alone, our world alone, in the universe. I'm repeatedly told this a science website and, repeatedly, I see that you, all, or for the most part at least, can't get your heads around physics, natural laws, and the always repeating lessons of history!
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That was some great word salad! Can you blame that on Obama too?
 
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I say again, Stephen Hawking called it well before he died! He prophesied Mankind had at most 1,000 years to its extinction, its extinction from within the species all by itself, if nothing hits from the outside, if it could not, if it would not, break out / birth out from the Earth!
 
DaveC426913 said:
Yeah. It's a tricky one. I am of the mind that using it on oneself does not give one a pass to use a slur.

For example, when you call yourself a "kike", you are not being bigoted only to yourself, but to all Jews. It's still antisemitic, no matter who says it and no matter who it's said to.
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Yeah, it's complicated. The most obvious example here would be usage of the n-word. "Arguably" that is somewhat different in that, like a term such as "queer", it has been re-appropriated. But again, it all comes down to who you ask--a lot of Black people detest the n-word, no matter who is using it.

With re-appropriation, or attempted re-appropriation, there's always a reactionary element. With a term like "kike" and such things related, right down to Holocaust jokes, it's partly the OTT zealotry, especially over the past decade or so, of groups like the ADL. And they've gotten real bad: from declaring anti-Zionism to be equivalent to antisemitism to--seriously!--declaring the keffiyeh to be antisemitic! The former is one thing (and it's just wrong), but the latter? That reads like a bad joke, but that actually happened.

At the same time, I actually generally am inclined to agree here with regards to the specifics: "kike" is unacceptable, even if referring to oneself. I think my usage of such, a couple of pages back, would be more an example of, perhaps, "poking the bear" or something like that--maybe being pedantic in the least effective imagineable way!

But even "spastic" is complicated. In the US and Canada it was always rather vague in terms of meaning, but even so far as particular qualities or medical phenomena go, it alluded to any number of things--see 0:55 in the DEVO video below. That guy's name is Spaz Attack (presumably not his given name, but rather a chosen one). Whereas in the UK, it was mostly used as a slur against persons with cerebral palsy. IOW worlds apart, as far as implications go.
 
billvon said:
Agreed 100%. But if your go-to example of evil is the first black president, good chance you're not making that decision based on things other than race.
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One of my favorite non-fiction authors, articles and books, has been Thomas Sowell. And the dark historical novels of novelist Frank Yerby, from way, way, back. One of my favorite Republican politicians is Rep. Byron Donalds, among some others acquiring great notice now that Trump is President. Fox News Woman Harris Faulkner, among others in the Conservative news rooms. I'm a great fan of ret. Lt. Col. Allen West, and civil rights attorney Leo Terrill among so many other brilliant and wise black Americans as well. Like many whites and others, there is a whole class of radical Woke-Socialist blacks, and criminal, terrorist and insurrection minded blacks, I am no fan of at all . . . among the radical Woke-Socialists, ex-U.S. President Barack Obama.

Getting back to Ms. Rowling, I'm no fan of her politics and cultural leanings, but she is one for whom I'm willing to have a tolerance of, partly. She can at least identify and define a woman (women and girls, and sports, locker rooms, and bathrooms).
 
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Atlan0001 said:
Getting back to Ms. Rowling, I'm no fan of her politics and cultural leanings, but she is one for whom I'm willing to have a tolerance of, partly. She can at least identify and define a woman (women and girls, and sports, locker rooms, and bathrooms).
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So basically you dislike all of the decent and admirable qualities of JK Rowling, but you tolerate her because... Got it.
 
Atlan0001 said:
Getting back to Ms. Rowling, I'm no fan of her politics and cultural leanings, but she is one for whom I'm willing to have a tolerance of, partly. She can at least identify and define a woman (women and girls, and sports, locker rooms, and bathrooms).
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Given that I have yet to meet an anti-trans person who can define what a "woman" is - just going to laugh at that one.
 
Atlan0001 said:
You are of awfully short memory and attention span, as well as pitifully short of brains. I told you, all, once that I was born into, born amidst, and grew up in, a fully integrated community society. But I know and grasp, as you very obviously can't grasp, that species revolutionary evolutionary branching means divisions as well as unities. That there is no singularity of Unity! Particularly NOT in an inertial entropic isolated closed system, such as Earth alone, our world alone, in the universe. I'm repeatedly told this a science website and, repeatedly, I see that you, all, or for the most part at least, can't get your heads around physics, natural laws, and the always repeating lessons of history!
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Reported to have this weird off-topic rant removed.
 
parmalee said:
Yeah, it's complicated. The most obvious example here would be usage of the n-word. "Arguably" that is somewhat different in that, like a term such as "queer", it has been re-appropriated. But again, it all comes down to who you ask--a lot of Black people detest the n-word, no matter who is using it.
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The n-word is by far the most hot button word (witness that we choose not to even speak it), so I'll use that for a short digression.

Yes, Just because, say, a bunch of friends use it amongst themselves doesn't mean it has been normalized in the broader picture.

It's still super-racist even when it's used in a closed setting, it's just that some accept it among themselves.


Eg. Bob could not use the n-word with impunity around anyone just because they happen to be black, even if Bob is talking about himself.

Bringing it back, you could not call yourself a kike around others without prior warning - I mean, not with impunity.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
I'm not anti-trans, but defining a woman is easy. Her 23 chromosome pair is XX, while a males is XY. This is the biological definition.
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OK great!

Let's say you have a daughter. She is born with all the usual parts, grows up, joins the woman's swim team, likes dresses.

Then she goes to the doctor at age 14 because she's having odd periods. The doctor tells her that she is XY - genetically male. Like tens of thousands of other women in the US.

Is she a woman or a man?

Should be easy right?
 
billvon said:
Is she a woman or a man?

Should be easy right?
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And, more to the point, who gets to tell her - based on her chromosomes alone, which can only be seen with a test - what clothes she is allowed to wear? Who she is allowed to date? What sports she is allowed to play? Which washroom she is allowed to use? Do we put gene sequencers outside our washrooms?

Does she spend the rest of her natural days with a label that identifies - and defines her by - her sex chromosomes, or is she a full citizen, entitled to her privacy, like the rest of us?
 
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