Trump 2.0

You could avoid those places though.
I sure could. The more I 'stay home' the less I see. But I prefer to see what's going on in the world, even if it's bad.
Is this something that has anything to do with "conservatives"?
Yes. Conservatives believe these people do not exist, or that they are really male. In fact, denial of biology like this seems to be a core belief of theirs; Trump just passed an executive order attempting to enforce such ignorance.
Debt is going up and is at critical levels, those other things aren't (except maybe climate change)
But the seaplanes! Don't forget the seaplanes, your new cause celebre!
 
I sure could. The more I 'stay home' the less I see. But I prefer to see what's going on in the world, even if it's bad.

Yes. Conservatives believe these people do not exist, or that they are really male. In fact, denial of biology like this seems to be a core belief of theirs; Trump just passed an executive order attempting to enforce such ignorance.

But the seaplanes! Don't forget the seaplanes, your new cause celebre!
I'm beginning to think these conservatives must be bad people. I know it's generally an echo chamber in here but do continue.
 
I'm beginning to think these conservatives must be bad people.
Some are, some (likely most) aren't. I know several conservatives who are horrified by what's happening to the US.

It was Burke who said that "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." And there are a great many conservatives simply doing nothing now.
 
Some are, some (likely most) aren't. I know several conservatives who are horrified by what's happening to the US.

It was Burke who said that "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." And there are a great many conservatives simply doing nothing now.
Therefore the problem isn't "conservatives". Trump and "conservatives" aren't the same thing.
 
Some are, some (likely most) aren't. I know several conservatives who are horrified by what's happening to the US.

It was Burke who said that "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." And there are a great many conservatives simply doing nothing now.
That crusty old walrus Bolton is one who is horrified. Trump has taken revenge on him by removing his security detail, to which he was entitled for his role in the Bush administration.
 
Therefore the problem isn't "conservatives". Trump and "conservatives" aren't the same thing.
Agreed - but one leads to the other. Conservatives elected him, so they are, in part, responsible for what he does to the country.
 
I'm beginning to think these conservatives must be bad people. I know it's generally an echo chamber in here but do continue.
After Trump pardoned the 1500 insurrectionists, pictures of the Jan 6 violence were shown to conservatives and asked if the folks in the pics should have been pardoned. They admitted to never having seen any pictures of violence from Jan 6 nor had they even heard of a Jan 6 committee. The reason? They only watched "Conservative" media. If the bad people aren't conservatives, who are they? Progressives? Liberals? Independents?
 
Agreed - but one leads to the other. Conservatives elected him, so they are, in part, responsible for what he does to the country.
True, but it would be hard for a conservative to elect Harris, wouldn't you agree? There were only 2 choices. It's like saying "blacks" are responsible for crime when most people's skin color has nothing to do with crime or anything else and yet most inner city gang members, in many areas, are black.

Again, correlation but not causation.

Two valid viewpoints (rarely acknowledged here) are those who think that more government improves lives and those who think limited government improves more lives.

You can make valid arguments for each side. The rest is noise.
 
After Trump pardoned the 1500 insurrectionists, pictures of the Jan 6 violence were shown to conservatives and asked if the folks in the pics should have been pardoned. They admitted to never having seen any pictures of violence from Jan 6 nor had they even heard of a Jan 6 committee. The reason? They only watched "Conservative" media. If the bad people aren't conservatives, who are they? Progressives? Liberals? Independents?
The "bad" people are the "bad" people.
 
Agreed - but one leads to the other. Conservatives elected him, so they are, in part, responsible for what he does to the country.
Speaking of conservatives, a few of our guys showed up to support Trump 2.0 for his inauguration, Truss, Johnson, Farage, Braverman, Patel
 
The "bad" people are the "bad" people.
In this research we address these gaps by comparing the use of political violence by left-wing, right-wing, and Islamist extremists in the United States and worldwide using two unique datasets that cover real-world examples of politically motivated, violent behaviors. Across both datasets, we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists.


  • Right-wing extremist terror incidents in the U.S. have been increasing since the mid-2000s, but the past six years have seen their sharpest rise yet. There were just seven right-wing terror incidents in the period 2005-2007, but by 2017-2019 there were 27, which increased to 40 in 2020-2022.
  • The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Center on Extremism (COE) has documented 67 domestic terror incidents by right-wing extremists in the United States from 2017 to 2022. These include successful terrorist attacks, failed terrorist attacks and foiled terrorist plots.
  • White supremacists were responsible for more attacks than any other type of right-wing extremist in the past six years (30 of 67, or 45%), but anti-government extremists, anti-abortion extremists and other types of right-wing extremists have also plotted and carried out attacks.
  • Right-wing terror attacks during this period also resulted in more deaths (58) from such attacks than any of the previous six-year periods since the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. All but five of those deaths occurred in white supremacist attacks—primarily mass shootings directed against minority targets.
 
In this research we address these gaps by comparing the use of political violence by left-wing, right-wing, and Islamist extremists in the United States and worldwide using two unique datasets that cover real-world examples of politically motivated, violent behaviors. Across both datasets, we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists.


  • Right-wing extremist terror incidents in the U.S. have been increasing since the mid-2000s, but the past six years have seen their sharpest rise yet. There were just seven right-wing terror incidents in the period 2005-2007, but by 2017-2019 there were 27, which increased to 40 in 2020-2022.
  • The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Center on Extremism (COE) has documented 67 domestic terror incidents by right-wing extremists in the United States from 2017 to 2022. These include successful terrorist attacks, failed terrorist attacks and foiled terrorist plots.
  • White supremacists were responsible for more attacks than any other type of right-wing extremist in the past six years (30 of 67, or 45%), but anti-government extremists, anti-abortion extremists and other types of right-wing extremists have also plotted and carried out attacks.
  • Right-wing terror attacks during this period also resulted in more deaths (58) from such attacks than any of the previous six-year periods since the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. All but five of those deaths occurred in white supremacist attacks—primarily mass shootings directed against minority targets.
Tiassa and The Flemster posted on this regarding 1930s Germany. How do you go from here to there? How do you arrive at Fascism? What is the journey?
As a Brit I woke up after the attack on capitol hill. Are his followers that crazy? Really? Well yeah and he has just freed them all. On a road map to fascism I would say that was a significant sign post.

Disturbing stuff.
 
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Tiassa and The Flemster posted on this regarding 1930s Germany. How do you go from here to there? How do you arrive at Fascism? What is the journey?
As a Brit I woke up after the attack on capitol hill. Are his followers that crazy? Really? Well yeah and he has just freed them all. On a road map to fascism I would say that was a significant sign post.

Disturbing stuff.
Just to add there are some unsettling parallels but I am trying best not to invoke Poe.

(At least the other one actually served time in prison.....)
 
True, but it would be hard for a conservative to elect Harris, wouldn't you agree?
I assume you mean "it would be hard for a conservative to vote for Harris." I agree. It's also hard to stand up to someone who is attacking someone weaker. They might get mad and hit you! It's hard to work at a job day after day and make money. People have better, more important things to do! It's hard to diet and exercise. But burgers are so good!

We do those things because we feel they are the right things to do.

If someone can't be bothered? Then the results are their fault, no one else's. All it takes is for good men to do nothing.

Two valid viewpoints (rarely acknowledged here) are those who think that more government improves lives and those who think limited government improves more lives.

Yep. I believe both, depending on the issue.

You can make valid arguments for each side. The rest is noise.

This is either the second or third time you've said "there's only one issue, and everything else is irrelevant." Oddly enough the issues you have listed are not the same.
 
Trump has taken down the Civil Rights Enforcement in the DOJ, the people who make sure the police act in accordance with their rules.

In other words, police will have free reign.
 
I assume you mean "it would be hard for a conservative to vote for Harris." I agree. It's also hard to stand up to someone who is attacking someone weaker. They might get mad and hit you! It's hard to work at a job day after day and make money. People have better, more important things to do! It's hard to diet and exercise. But burgers are so good!

We do those things because we feel they are the right things to do.

If someone can't be bothered? Then the results are their fault, no one else's. All it takes is for good men to do nothing.
You are assuming that it's better to vote against a "bad" character even when their polices as a whole would be better for the country in "your" opinion. In my opinion, Trump is better for the country than Harris.

However since I do value the stability of the institutions I wouldn't pick Trump but it would be a hard call. If the choice had been Senator Warren vs Trump, even I would have picked Trump.

Since the reality is that he is now the President, I actually think that the outcome will be better with him than with Harris. I'm not endorsing his character but it is what it is. I don't agree with Obama's worldview entirely but I would prefer Obama over Trump. Biden or Harris over Trump would require me to hold my nose and pick one of them. Warren vs Trump, it's Trump for sure.

IMO progressive polices (with a large P) are well intentioned but just ill thought out. So a character like Trump, who just happens to align with some economic polices of mine, is the better choice more than likely (if the world doesn't blow up in the process).

Trump isn't likely to start a war. He isn't likely to raise taxes, create a wealth tax, enlarge the size of the government or waste time and energy going in the wrong direction regarding market driven events.

Much of what he thinks and says is nonsense, unfortunately but it is what it is. IMO, virtue signaling about "good men" isn't what this is about.

Housing isn't "unaffordable". Housing in the US is generally less expensive than most other developed countries.

Income and wealth inequality isn't a real concern IMO. In the progressive world it is everything.

Livable wages is a personal thing and not something to legislate in a market economy.

Most of the social "inequalities" that progressives are trying to fix either aren't fixable or aren't fixable in the way that they are suggesting to do it. Throwing money or redistributing money isn't the solution.

Hugging and stimulating your young children is necessary and when that isn't done, the rest is insufficient. If you don't practice self-gratification you don't end up with real wealth. That's why those with wealth are the 1%. Everyone else isn't disciplined. They have higher than average world incomes but still live paycheck to paycheck.

In general, your life result isn't someone else's fault. It's not about the high marginal tax rates in the 50's or the union jobs that someone's grandfather had for a few years when industry was bombed out everywhere else due to WWII.

Debt is a major problem. We aren't at war, we don't have a plan and spending is all we know how to do.

We could fix that with transparency. If middle class taxes automatically went up every time spending went up, that problem would be solved. Wars would be short, spending would be prioritized, etc.
Yep. I believe both, depending on the issue.



This is either the second or third time you've said "there's only one issue, and everything else is irrelevant." Oddly enough the issues you have listed are not the same.
Again, you are being a little too literal. Debt is a big issue. That doesn't literally mean that there are no other issues. It's like your continual comment about government and the roads and other services, no one is actually for no government.
 
It now looks like the Laken Riley act will pass the house and then back to the senate, there are even some Dems who capitulated to the fascists and voted for it as well.
 
Capitulation. The new era of fear and tyranny. Many folks from the media, politicians etc. are swaying to capitulate to Trump because they would much rather kiss the ring between Trumps bum flaps than hire 24 security and live in constant fear.
 
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