Trump 2.0

Sarkus said:
It will be used by Trump while his new Air force One is built, just in time for him to leave office, and then the "gift" will transfer to the Trump Library Foundation, for his continuing personal use. So it's a gift. To Trump personally. Just a day or so after his N.Korean-style mouthpiece lied and said that in no way was Trump enriching himself as President (and then went on to say how Biden did). Apparently Trump actually loses money while being President. Yeah. She actually said that.


Was busy over the weekend, and since this was already in the mainstream media (heck, even you're talking about it!) there was no urgency. ;)
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Good point. I'm as mainstream as they come.
 
Sarkus said:
Well, I'm sorry to hear all that. I hope you get better

As to your position in Trump, let's just start with one matter (we can get on to the rest of your content later)...
"and backing of a mass savage barbarian invasion bringing in mass crimes and criminal terrorism to America, ever known in American history."

Now, while Trump and his ilk have certainly made these claims about immigrants, even going so far as to claim "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats!", there is zero evidence that the immigrant population is any worse than he non-inmigrant when it comes to crime. In fact it is the opposite: immigrants are more law-abiding than the non-inmgrant population.
Yes, there are going to be examples of immigrants who have raped, murdered, stolen etc. And, hey, why not focus on those so as to tar the rest with the same brush. There's a word for that. Well, several, actually. Bigoted. Stupid. Naive. Gullible. To give just four.

news.northwestern.edu

Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born

A study co-led by Northwestern University economist Elisa Jácome provides the first historical comparison of incarceration rates of immigrants to U.S.-born citizens.<br />
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The mythical tie between immigration and crime

Research by Stanford’s Ran Abramitzky and co-authors uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than U.S.-born individuals.
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Have a read. Open your eyes.There are many more such reports out there.
Look, there are arguments for and against high levels of immigration, but simply lying about them and believing the lies others tell you that fit the worldview you want to hold, is only going to keep you in the dark as to reality.
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The problem with this argument is that it misses the point. Two things can be true at once. It doesn't really matter if most immigrants don't commit crimes if you (for example) live in a border area and most of your crime is immigrant related or if you live in a area that was low crime far from a border area and now crime has gone up with much of it immigrant related.

Most aren't committing crimes but without all the immigration in your area the crime rate was a lot lower.

As you say there are many arguments for and against immigration, need, how much, etc. but it's a bit of a misdirection to say that it's not a problem because the overall rate of immigrant crime is lower than non immigrant crime. That's using a broader stat to argue for a specific case. It's misleading.
 
Seattle said:
That's using a broader stat to argue for a specific case. It's misleading.
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As said, there are arguments for and against, and, as you say, it can be different for different places.

My main point was really that the poster is simply regurgitating MAGA rhetoric without any support whatsoever, treating the issue as a whole. And as such countering with actual facts (for we should not let them pesky things get in the way) regarding the whole is appropriate.
So we start by countering the claims of the general with facts regarding the general.

And when you do get to the more specific locales, I'd still be curious as to where the evidence is for the "mass savage barbarian invasion bringing in mass crimes and criminal terrorism to America, ever known in American history."
Can you provide anything to support this claim by our new poster even at a local level? Don't be afraid to call bullshit for what it is, even if it does come from your side of the aisle, so to speak. ;) But if there is evidence, then I'd genuinely like to understand it.
 
Atlan0001 said:
I'm a 70-years student of history. My library has been and is loaded with many histories as well as many of the popular books written on physics for the general populace. I am very aware, I'm certain, of the lessons of history. I voted for President Trump and my Republican Representatives and Senators. Asked if I would do it again, today, I most certainly would against the worst President, administration, Party, ideology, culture, indoctrination, and backing of a mass savage barbarian invasion bringing in mass crimes and criminal terrorism to America, ever known in American history.

We elected President Trump and the Republicans to do something real about the deadly mess rather than talk and do little to nothing at all, even doing the opposite of bringing civilization and fiscal responsibility back to the United States of America. And bringing back empowerment to 'We the people', the hated middle class bourgeoisie that bulges the well rounding of America over the Orwellian 'Animal Farm' and '1984' equality (bearing the equal sign (=)) of the globalist power elites (the Big Brother deep state oligarch 'Camelot' crowd) and the Serfdom (F. A. Hayek, 'The Road To Serfdom') of the underclass they make and keep in class. The hour glass shaped matched pair of the middle class bourgeoisie hating and destroying equal sign (=). An equality to destroy equality through destroying the middle class bourgeoise (I don't care if it is redundant. It reflects the hatred, in both English and French, Karl Marx and all Socialists, including Fascist (authoritarian / total authoritarian) Communists, had and have for it.

President Trump is the first President in a long time actually trying to do what he promised America he would try to do. And he is faced with a deep state Party tyranny, and would be judicial tyranny and dictatorship, trying to usurp his Constitutional authority and power and stop him cold in all of it. Stopping the American majority that voted for him and the Republicans to do exactly what they have been doing, and trying to do, equally dead cold. An attempted coup to overthrow the elected government and the agenda it was elected for, our elected government, our agenda it was chosen for! A second civil war launched by exactly the same Party and hate filled types that were on the wrong side of the first (the other slavery side, now the Total Quality Management, total quality control, Fascist Woke-Socialist (Woke-Communist) side)!
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Where did you paste that from?
 
Here's something that Trump is proposing that is actually going to be of benefit to the general population... if only it wasn't likely just noise to try and obfuscate from the $400m "gift" that he's in line to receive:
www.independent.co.uk

Trump promises major cuts to drug prices in his ‘most important’ Truth Social post

President to sign executive order putting plan in place on Monday morning
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Basically, drugs in the US will only be paid for at the lowest rate that other countries purchase the drugs at. This should, in principle, slash the cost of many drugs - and the announcement immediately put a significant dip in the stock-prices of the pharmaceutical companies.
So, what's the problem?
Well, he tried this in 2018, and the "Big Pharma" pushed back, and persuaded Congress not to enact anything of the sort. He tried to resurrect it in 2020, to no avail. Even Biden, a Democrat who would have pushed hard for something like this, found the going difficult yet managed to put some significant reductions on 10 key drugs into his Inflation Reduction Act.

Trump, though, claims that the Democrats fought against reducing drug prices. Wrong.
He also claims: “Campaign Contributions can do wonders, but not with me, and not with the Republican party.” when asked about all the Pharma companies that supported his campaign. Yet this was the same President who held a meeting at Mar-a-Lago with Big Oil and said "give me a $billion and you can write your own Executive Orders" (or words to that effect). So, yeah, he's wrong again: campaign contributions do work on him. (And if not "campaign contributions" then maybe outright bribes will?)

No doubt Trump will claim the benefits of Biden's policies on those 10 key drugs - set to fully come into force by 2026 - as results of his own actions, especially as and when... or maybe only if... this latest announcement otherwise fails to deliver, thwarted as before by his own GOP. Many Republicans opposed the move of this "Favoured Nation" model back in 2018, and presumably will do so again. Interestingly, the Democrats did not oppose it as strongly, at least not the idea, although the implementation of it was what gave them cause for concern. So, any blame Trump is trying to lay at the feet of the Democrats is just, well, yet another lie to add to his ever-growing list.

But, as has been suggested, this announcement might well only have the purpose to obfuscate from the clear corruption going on at the White House.
 
And next in: "Arsonist Wants the World to Sing his Praise for Putting out the Fire that HE Started"

Well, that's not quite the headline, but, yes, Trump and China have agreed to drop their tariffs from 145% and 125% to just 30% and 10% - for 90 days at least. So, all the money that the US is getting rich off of... yeah, well, that's not happening. Liar in Chief fails yet again and kowtows to pressure. Weak. Thankfully, for the rest of the world.

www.bbc.co.uk

Global stocks rise after US and China agree to slash tariffs for 90 days - live updates

It is a major de-escalation in the tariff war and comes after talks between both countries in Geneva.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
sculptor said:
When I read much of what is posted herein
I think TDS seems to be the norm
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Are you familiar with the concept of ad hominem? Dismissing a differing opinion from yours (on a president's policies) as mental illness would seem a classic case of the ad hominem argument. Do you have any facts or evidence to show that critique of Trump reflects mental illness?
 
sculptor said:
When I read much of what is posted herein
I think TDS seems to be the norm
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If only there was no evidence of his incompetence, his corruption, his criminality, his lack of ethics, his narcissism, his lying, his disregard of the Constitution, etc. Then what you think might be relevant. But, alas. :rolleyes:
 
sculptor said:
When I read much of what is posted herein
I think TDS seems to be the norm
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So. it gives you a thrill knowing innocent people are being arrested and deported for no reason, you get goose bumps knowing tens of thousands have lost their jobs and thousands more each day losing theirs, you wring your hands in glee as the economy crashes, stores will soon have empty shelves and you'll soon pay $20 for a loaf of bread, you sing joyously as people lose their life savings while Trump makes millions in fraudulent scams and get a boner knowing all the incompetent boobs Trump has put in place to destroy the Constitution and the country.

I'm assuming you were recently hired by ICE and are looking forward to breaking some skulls?

And of course, you'll blame everything on Biden.

When I ready what you post, stupid is the norm.
 
The spreading waves within America's borders of foreign illegal alien Mexican drug and human trafficking terrorist cartels, of MS-13 terrorist gangs, of Tren-de-Aragua terrorist Venezuelan gangs, of Hamas terrorist paid supporters and Jew hating others, are less inclined to commit violent crimes than your average ordinary American citizen???? says the Democrat Party that kept, and keeps, loosing them, again and again, and again, on American communities all across America. A Democrat Party that calls them the victims of terrorism and the average American citizen, especially protesting American parents and families, and whole American communities, against Woke-Socialist tyrannically imposed (dictatorially imposed) indoctrinations and actions in schools and all elsewhere, even private homes, the criminal terrorist!

Yeah! Where and when civilization and the Rule of Law, and real enforcement of laws under the Rule of Law, ends, criminal terrorism will always meet a terrorism of resistance from the once law abiding head on!
 
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Atlan0001 said:
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Maybe some facts to support what you say? Just asking. I mean, I've supplied 2 articles suggesting that, on the whole, illegal immigrants are less likely to be given custodial sentences and you come back with... your personal incredulity? Oh, and a bunch of ad hominems against the Democratic party.
Anything else to offer, or is it a case of you telling us you're a cult member without actually telling us you're a cult member?
Just asking. :rolleyes:
 
Atlan0001 said:
The spreading waves within America's borders of foreign illegal alien Mexican drug and human trafficking terrorist cartels, of MS-13 terrorist gangs, of Tren-de-Aragua terrorist Venezuelan gangs, of Hamas terrorist paid supporters and Jew hating others, are less inclined to commit violent crimes than your average ordinary American citizen???? says the Democrat Party that kept, and keeps, loosing them, again and again, and again, on American communities all across America. A Democrat Party that calls them the victims of terrorism and the average American citizen, especially protesting American parents and families, and whole American communities, against Woke-Socialist tyrannically imposed (dictatorially imposed) indoctrinations and actions in schools and all elsewhere, even private homes, the criminal terrorist!

Yeah! Where and when civilization and the Rule of Law, and real enforcement of laws under the Rule of Law, ends, criminal terrorism will always meet a terrorism of resistance from the once law abiding head on!
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A ruthless resistance from the once law abiding!
 
sculptor said:
When I read much of what is posted herein
I think TDS seems to be the norm
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How about the fact Trump just illegally took a $400 million gift from the government of Qatar, one of the most corrupt governments on the planet and home to Hamas.

Is that TDS as well?
 
Seattle said:
The problem with this argument is that it misses the point. Two things can be true at once. It doesn't really matter if most immigrants don't commit crimes if you (for example) live in a border area and most of your crime is immigrant related or if you live in a area that was low crime far from a border area and now crime has gone up with much of it immigrant related.
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Right. But in both areas, illegal immigrants commit less crimes than US citizens. Sure, if you have to add 100,000 people to a city, and even one of them commits a crime, then absolute crime will go up, even if crimes per 100,000 goes way down.

But overall, if you are going to get another 100,000 people into your area, you are MUCH MUCH better off with immigrants (illegal or legal) than with US citizens. Lower crime, higher productivity, more innovation, and greater economic growth.


 
sculptor said:
When I read much of what is posted herein
I think TDS seems to be the norm
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Sorry to hear about your issues.

For most Americans, what's happening is pretty clear. The derangement that people like you experience happens when your beliefs in Trump as a savior come into conflict with the reality of what is happening to the US now. This cognitive dissonance causes rage, confusion and anger, and leads to Trump supporters lashing out at people who present them with reality.
 
Atlan0001 said:
The spreading waves within America's borders of foreign illegal alien Mexican drug and human trafficking terrorist cartels, of MS-13 terrorist gangs, of Tren-de-Aragua terrorist Venezuelan gangs, of Hamas terrorist paid supporters and Jew hating others, are less inclined to commit violent crimes than your average ordinary American citizen?
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In reality - yes. Trump has committed far more crimes and sexual assaults than your average immigrant, illegal or otherwise.

In your imagination, they are crazed terrorists intent on eating your dogs and cats, and any tattoos they have mean "MS13" no matter what they say. If that fear and panic over those evil, murdering immigrants is affecting your day to day life, then:

1) Turn off FOX News
2) Get some reality based news sources
3) See a psychiatrist if that does not help you deal with your issues.
 
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