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Pope Leo 14 is apparently the first American pope - watch for Trump milking this for all its worth. The Cardinals picked the very best pope you can find, which is going to be a beautiful American pope. No country in the history of the world makes better popes than you can find right here in America!
 
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Pope Leo 14 is apparently the first American pope - watch for Trump milking this for all its worth. The Cardinals picked the very best pope you can find, which is going to be a beautiful American pope. No country in the history of the world makes better popes than you can find right here in America!
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...except that this pope will not be a Trump supporter at all. I gather he is in the mould of Francis. I don't expect the crowing to last very long. Good to have another Leo.

Leo I ("Leo the Great") met Attila the Hun and persuaded him not to attack Rome. He also provided the "tome" for the Council of Chalcedon, which adopted the dyophysite teaching on the nature of Christ which has been followed by the vast majority of Christian denominations ever since (the exceptions being the miaphysites and monophysites, who are represented by some small denominations in the Near and Middle East.) So a forceful diplomat and theologian. Maybe that's why the new pope took the name.
 
exchemist said:
...except that this pope will not be a Trump supporter at all. I gather he is in the mould of Francis. I don't expect the crowing to last very long. Good to have another Leo.

Leo I ("Leo the Great") met Attila the Hun and persuaded him not to attack Rome. He also provided the "tome" for the Council of Chalcedon, which adopted the dyophysite teaching on the nature of Christ which has been followed by the vast majority of Christian denominations ever since (the exceptions being the miaphysites and monophysites, who are represented by some small denominations in the Near and Middle East.) So a forceful diplomat and theologian. Maybe that's why the new pope took the name.
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Also check out Leo XIII. Who may also have inspired Prevost. Here's a little wiki snippet:

He is well known for his intellectualism and his attempts to define the position of the Catholic Church with regard to modern thinking. In his famous 1891 encyclical Rerum novarum, Pope Leo outlined the rights of workers to a fair wage, safe working conditions, and the formation of trade unions, while affirming the rights to property and free enterprise, opposing both socialism and laissez-faire capitalism. With that encyclical, he became popularly titled as the "Social Pope" and the "Pope of the Workers", also having created the foundations for modern thinking in the social doctrines of the Catholic Church, influencing the thoughts of his successors.
 
exchemist said:
.except that this pope will not be a Trump supporter at all. I gather he is in the mould of Francis.
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And yes, very unlikely to be pro 47. If Francis' strongly expressed liking for L14 weren't enough indication there's also L14's years of service in South America, plus being an Augustinian (they support science, and ministry to the poor). Most definitely a torch was passed.
 
Wow. Just... Wow.
Stephen Miller (the one who looks ideally suited to portray an SS officer in a film), the deputy chief of staff at the White House, has said that the Trump administration is "actively considering" the suspension of Habeas Corpus with regard illegal immigrants. But, he says, it depends on whether the courts "do the right thing". So, basically, if the courts don't do what trump wants, and rules against him, he'll simply declare that the US is being "invaded", and suspend Habeas Corpus, as allowed under the Constitution (apparently).

"The Constitution is clear, and that, of course, is the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in time of invasion. So it’s an option we’re actively looking at. Look, a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not”

So either the courts allow him to do what he wants, or he'll do it anyway.

Sounds like a fun place to visit. :rolleyes:

www.theguardian.com

Trump ‘looking at’ suspending habeas corpus, top aide Stephen Miller says – US politics live

White House deputy chief of staff told reporters administration is ‘actively’ considering suspending a person’s right to challenge legality of their detention
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Sarkus said:
Stephen Miller (the one who looks ideally suited to portray an SS officer in a film), the deputy chief of staff at the White House, has said that the Trump administration is "actively considering" the suspension of Habeas Corpus with regard illegal immigrants. But, he says, it depends on whether the courts "do the right thing". So, basically, if the courts don't do what trump wants, and rules against him, he'll simply declare that the US is being "invaded", and suspend Habeas Corpus, as allowed under the Constitution (apparently).
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This is one of those things that 「people like me」 have long suspected about 「people like them」, and the easiest way to ward off such suspicions, at least for the sake of traditional prejudices, was to simply not come right out and say it.

One of the most important things to watch, in coming days, is how conservatives respond. At this point, the surprise is not that they would conspire against habeas corpus, but that they're saying it outright. And even then, it's like, yeah, how surprised are we, really.

How resistance responds to the circumstance is a bit complicated, but one thing the People might consider in order to signal Democrats that it is unquestionably time to do something more than simply making a record of the catastrophe would be a general strike.

Okay, that's probably asking a lot, but it's true the politicians will continue to calculate how to resist instead of actually doing anything if they continue to see public officials arrested under false pretense without any pushback from the people who actually can leverage some pressure. House Republicans aren't going to do anything. Senate Republicans aren't going to do anything. Democratic options are limited in the same way the people yelling at masked, uncredentialed agents seizing families↱ aren't taking a chance and resisting these snatchers with force.

Oh:

In Massachusetts, state law generally prevents local police from assisting ICE with immigration enforcement.

The Worcester Police Department defended their conduct in a lengthy statement on Thursday.

Officers were dispatched to the scene "for a report of federal agent who was surrounded by a large group of about twenty-five people," the department said. It added that officers also received a call from an individual "saying that ICE officers were on scene and refusing to show a warrant to the crowd."

Police said that when they arrived, they witnessed a "chaotic scene," with federal agents placing a woman under arrest and trying to leave with her in a vehicle.

"The crowd was unruly, and several people were putting their hands on federal agents and Worcester officers in an attempt to keep the vehicle and the arrestee from leaving," the police said. "Worcester officers attempted to deescalate the situation and keep everyone safe" ....

.... They added that another woman was arrested for pushing officers and throwing an unknown liquid substance on them as they tried to arrest the girl.

(NBC News↱)​

Meanwhile, it's one thing if Worcester City Councilor Etal Haxhiaj wants to know what the hell happened↱, but there's only so much she can actually do. And Mayor Joseph Petty will say what he will about how "we cannot have this happen in our community", but it remains unclear what he can actually do.

What Democrats and other dissenting officials don't need right now is a bunch of dead cops. But we also shouldn't ever expect, even with a Democratic Congress to approve a Democratic president's nominees, that the snatchers themselves will ever be charged.

However, Americans cannot promise right now that conservatives won't trade away habeas corpus for never having to countenance another Democratic president or Congressional majority.

They've always been this way, and now their chance is within reach. What does anybody think Republicans are going to do?
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Notes:

@LongTimeHistory. "Chaos erupts in Massachusetts neighborhood as ICE drags away mom—clinging to her baby …". (thread) X. 8 May 2025. X.com. 9 May 2025. status/1920623143481446838

Lavietes, Matt. "Massachusetts police hold girl's face to the ground as ICE arrests her mother, video shows". NBC News. 9 May 2025. NBCNews.com. 9 May 2025. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-ground-ice-arrests-mother-video-s-rcna205798
 
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Seems the US auto-industry has decried how awful the "deal" with the UK is. Michigan-based auto-companies have cited that under the terms of this "deal" (and I am using the term advisedly) the UK manufacturers (specifically Rolls Royce, Land Rover, Range Rover) are getting 10% tariffs, while US auto-manufacturers are being charged 25% tariffs for building in Canada and Mexico! So benefitting UK companies over US companies Sure, the 10% tariff that the UK is benefitting from is only for the first 100,000 units, but that is slightly more than their entire 2024 volume.

Gotta love it! :)

And if that isn't funny enough: in the White House, at a press-conference in the Oval Office, Lutnik (or Nut-Lick, given how much he praises Trump) was happy to put the entire credit for the deal at Trump's feet, effectively saying Trump personally was the architect, and that Trump himself got it done!
So, yeah, all Trump's fault. :)

 
Sarkus said:
Wow. Just... Wow.
Stephen Miller (the one who looks ideally suited to portray an SS officer in a film), the deputy chief of staff at the White House, has said that the Trump administration is "actively considering" the suspension of Habeas Corpus with regard illegal immigrants. But, he says, it depends on whether the courts "do the right thing". So, basically, if the courts don't do what trump wants, and rules against him, he'll simply declare that the US is being "invaded", and suspend Habeas Corpus, as allowed under the Constitution (apparently).

"The Constitution is clear, and that, of course, is the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in time of invasion. So it’s an option we’re actively looking at. Look, a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not”

So either the courts allow him to do what he wants, or he'll do it anyway.

Sounds like a fun place to visit. :rolleyes:

www.theguardian.com

Trump ‘looking at’ suspending habeas corpus, top aide Stephen Miller says – US politics live

White House deputy chief of staff told reporters administration is ‘actively’ considering suspending a person’s right to challenge legality of their detention
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Yes. I saw an interesting interview with Eric Holder, who was Obama's Attorney General, about this. Holder said he thinks it is a scare tactic, a try-on. He thinks the idea would never hold up if put to the test - though if by any chance it did he said it would all for the American people to take to the streets (!).

He reckons it's a bluff, intended to make immigrants, or prospective immigrants, fearful. (And maybe, though he did not overtly suggest this, possibly to scare wavering lower court judges who might not want to trigger a massive legal escalation.)

But I see what you mean about Miller. "I am ze slightly pervy general........etc."

He is obviously not ze easy-going von (mit Afrika Korps tank visor) who "hass spent many happy years in Lonnon".
 
Sarkus said:
Seems the US auto-industry has decried how awful the "deal" with the UK is. Michigan-based auto-companies have cited that under the terms of this "deal" (and I am using the term advisedly) the UK manufacturers (specifically Rolls Royce, Land Rover, Range Rover) are getting 10% tariffs, while US auto-manufacturers are being charged 25% tariffs for building in Canada and Mexico! So benefitting UK companies over US companies Sure, the 10% tariff that the UK is benefitting from is only for the first 100,000 units, but that is slightly more than their entire 2024 volume.

Gotta love it! :)

And if that isn't funny enough: in the White House, at a press-conference in the Oval Office, Lutnik (or Nut-Lick, given how much he praises Trump) was happy to put the entire credit for the deal at Trump's feet, effectively saying Trump personally was the architect, and that Trump himself got it done!
So, yeah, all Trump's fault. :)

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Nut Lick is very good. :biggrin:

But surely, given the speed with which this has been put together, this much-vaunted "deal" can't really be more than mere heads of agreement, can it? I wonder if it will stick when the fine print is being worked up. And by then, who knows, we may be in an entirely different tariff regime anyway.

Let the goat-rodeo continue.-_O
 
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I'm surprised there has been no mention of Trump accepting a new Air Force One from Qatar? Sarkus are you slacking?:)
 
Seattle said:
I'm surprised there has been no mention of Trump accepting a new Air Force One from Qatar? Sarkus are you slacking?
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It's Sunday. It's Mother's Day in the U.S.

And, really, the depravity and corruption of what conservatives have empowered is so overflowing that nobody can keep up with the details in real time, and especially not according to the demands of what would be guilty conscience if not for the lack of conscience.
 
I'm a 70-years student of history. My library has been and is loaded with many histories as well as many of the popular books written on physics for the general populace. I am very aware, I'm certain, of the lessons of history. I voted for President Trump and my Republican Representatives and Senators. Asked if I would do it again, today, I most certainly would against the worst President, administration, Party, ideology, culture, indoctrination, and backing of a mass savage barbarian invasion bringing in mass crimes and criminal terrorism to America, ever known in American history.

We elected President Trump and the Republicans to do something real about the deadly mess rather than talk and do little to nothing at all, even doing the opposite of bringing civilization and fiscal responsibility back to the United States of America. And bringing back empowerment to 'We the people', the hated middle class bourgeoisie that bulges the well rounding of America over the Orwellian 'Animal Farm' and '1984' equality (bearing the equal sign (=)) of the globalist power elites (the Big Brother deep state oligarch 'Camelot' crowd) and the Serfdom (F. A. Hayek, 'The Road To Serfdom') of the underclass they make and keep in class. The hour glass shaped matched pair of the middle class bourgeoisie hating and destroying equal sign (=). An equality to destroy equality through destroying the middle class bourgeoise (I don't care if it is redundant. It reflects the hatred, in both English and French, Karl Marx and all Socialists, including Fascist (authoritarian / total authoritarian) Communists, had and have for it.

President Trump is the first President in a long time actually trying to do what he promised America he would try to do. And he is faced with a deep state Party tyranny, and would be judicial tyranny and dictatorship, trying to usurp his Constitutional authority and power and stop him cold in all of it. Stopping the American majority that voted for him and the Republicans to do exactly what they have been doing, and trying to do, equally dead cold. An attempted coup to overthrow the elected government and the agenda it was elected for, our elected government, our agenda it was chosen for! A second civil war launched by exactly the same Party and hate filled types that were on the wrong side of the first (the other slavery side, now the Total Quality Management, total quality control, Fascist Woke-Socialist (Woke-Communist) side)!
 
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Well, I'm sorry to hear all that. I hope you get better

As to your position in Trump, let's just start with one matter (we can get on to the rest of your content later)...
"and backing of a mass savage barbarian invasion bringing in mass crimes and criminal terrorism to America, ever known in American history."

Now, while Trump and his ilk have certainly made these claims about immigrants, even going so far as to claim "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats!", there is zero evidence that the immigrant population is any worse than he non-inmigrant when it comes to crime. In fact it is the opposite: immigrants are more law-abiding than the non-inmgrant population.
Yes, there are going to be examples of immigrants who have raped, murdered, stolen etc. And, hey, why not focus on those so as to tar the rest with the same brush. There's a word for that. Well, several, actually. Bigoted. Stupid. Naive. Gullible. To give just four.

news.northwestern.edu

Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born

A study co-led by Northwestern University economist Elisa Jácome provides the first historical comparison of incarceration rates of immigrants to U.S.-born citizens.<br />
news.northwestern.edu news.northwestern.edu

The mythical tie between immigration and crime

Research by Stanford’s Ran Abramitzky and co-authors uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than U.S.-born individuals.
siepr.stanford.edu siepr.stanford.edu

Have a read. Open your eyes.There are many more such reports out there.
Look, there are arguments for and against high levels of immigration, but simply lying about them and believing the lies others tell you that fit the worldview you want to hold, is only going to keep you in the dark as to reality.

A question, though: where would you draw the line? What would Trump have to do to lose your vote?
Be found liable for rape?
Be found guilty of felony charges?
Incite an overthrow of the legitimate.government?
Fail to uphold the constitution?
Put in policies that disenfranchise millions of married women?
Corruption? Self-enrichment to the tune of billions from holding office?
Lying, being stupid, tanking the global economy? Lying about tariffs? Being a misogynist, adulterer, blasphemer?
What about trying to turn the US into a dictatorship?

Or is he simply beyond reproach, in your eyes?
 
Seattle said:
I'm surprised there has been no mention of Trump accepting a new Air Force One from Qatar? Sarkus are you slacking?:)
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Surely this is a gift to the US Presidency rather than to Trump personally, isn't it? Air Force One is not the personal property of the president: he doesn't take it with him when he leaves office. The use of it passes to his successor, does it not? If so, it is a gift from one state to another, which would not contravene the rules, although probably unwise in principle for the US government to start accept gifts of this kind.
 
exchemist said:
Surely this is a gift to the US Presidency rather than to Trump personally, isn't it? Air Force One is not the personal property of the president: he doesn't take it with him when he leaves office. The use of it passes to his successor, does it not? If so, it is a gift from one state to another, which would not contravene the rules, although probably unwise in principle for the US government to start accept gifts of this kind.
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It will be used by Trump while his new Air force One is built, just in time for him to leave office, and then the "gift" will transfer to the Trump Library Foundation, for his continuing personal use. So it's a gift. To Trump personally. Just a day or so after his N.Korean-style mouthpiece lied and said that in no way was Trump enriching himself as President (and then went on to say how Biden did). Apparently Trump actually loses money while being President. Yeah. She actually said that.

Seattle said:
I'm surprised there has been no mention of Trump accepting a new Air Force One from Qatar? Sarkus are you slacking?:)
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Was busy over the weekend, and since this was already in the mainstream media (heck, even you're talking about it!) there was no urgency. ;)
 
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It will be used by Trump while his new Air force One is built, just in time for him to leave office, and then the "gift" will transfer to the Trump Library Foundation, for his continuing personal use. So it's a gift. To Trump personally. Just a day or so after his N.Korean-style mouthpiece lied and said that in no way was Trump enriching himself as President (and then went on to say how Biden did). Apparently Trump actually loses money while being President. Yeah. She actually said that.
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Ah, that nuance of the proposal had escaped me. Why a "library foundation" should need a 4 engine transcontinental jet, decked out in dictator bling, is not immediately obvious.
 
Just to add regarding the "flying palace" (reports I've seen vary its value from between $200-400m), the DoJ think it entirely okay for the President to transfer such assets to his Presidential Library Foundation at the end of term (well, being his DoJ with zero impartiality, well, dur!) while Ranking Democrat in the House Jamie Raskin has had to remind the DoJ that the Constitution is quite clear on the matter: any transfer of any gift would require approval of Congress. That's if the Constitution is still in play by then. Also, by the time the plane will be transferred, it's likely/possible that the Democrats will own the House.

So more fun times.
 
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