COVID-19 Source: Will we ever know?

Nobody did that.

Your attempt at a strawman argument is a dishonest attempt to divert the conversation.
You are lying. The substance of both bell's #171 response on that issue and yours in #172 is as I stated a whitewash that completely ignored the terrorist FF planning - available to read right there in that Wikipedia article. A different POTUS and there would likely have been a full-scale invasion of Cuba all based on lies.
You do realize NATO is not the US, right?
So what? He and fellow conspirators should have had life sentences handed out. Instead, promotion to a top position.
No problem with nonconformists here. I am one myself. I do have an issue with clueless, easily led sheep who latch on to the latest conspiracy theory because it makes them feel special and important.
Imputing motives together with derogatory characterizations. I'd call that conformity to a Marxist instruction manual. Whether you personally identify with Marxism per se or not.
But here's reality - there is not a super secret shadow government using Fauci to first create and release deadly viruses and then later direct the response to them to advance the agenda of a secret New World Order. Occam's - and Hanlon's - Razor prevails as always.
Such an absolute judgement is beyond your legitimate capacity to make. And I never claimed Fauci was the creator of COVID-19 virus. Mikovitz may or may not be right on that and may have somewhat exaggerated his role. I would have to firstly review precisely what she actually claimed anyway.
But I do give high credibility to her account regarding his evil attempts at destroying her career for failing to give in to his illegitimate demands.
It's a sad fact very unsavory types get promoted to positions of power within US and other government administrations.
That sounds like a good decision for you. I am sure there is a Qanon channel on 8chan that would be much more to your liking.
And more derogatory characterization. Trademark of the Left. Hate and bait.
 
You are lying. The substance of both bell's #171 response on that issue and yours in #172 is as I stated a whitewash that completely ignored the terrorist FF planning - available to read right there in that Wikipedia article. A different POTUS and there would likely have been a full-scale invasion of Cuba all based on lies.

So what? He and fellow conspirators should have had life sentences handed out. Instead, promotion to a top position.

Imputing motives together with derogatory characterizations. I'd call that conformity to a Marxist instruction manual. Whether you personally identify with Marxism per se or not.

Such an absolute judgement is beyond your legitimate capacity to make. And I never claimed Fauci was the creator of COVID-19 virus. Mikovitz may or may not be right on that and may have somewhat exaggerated his role. I would have to firstly review precisely what she actually claimed anyway.
But I do give high credibility to her account regarding his evil attempts at destroying her career for failing to give in to his illegitimate demands.
It's a sad fact very unsavory types get promoted to positions of power within US and other government administrations.

And more derogatory characterization. Trademark of the Left. Hate and bait.
This whole "New World Order" conspiracy crap is deranged. As for fingering Fauci as one of its supposed members, that is absurd beyond belief. The guy is an immunologist, not a member of some imaginary power-crazed elite, of lizard people or whatever.

This is garbage, worthy of Fat Freddy.
 
Such an absolute judgement is beyond your legitimate capacity to make. And I never claimed Fauci was the creator of COVID-19 virus. Mikovitz may or may not be right on that and may have somewhat exaggerated his role. I would have to firstly review precisely what she actually claimed anyway.
But I do give high credibility to her account regarding his evil attempts at destroying her career for failing to give in to his illegitimate demands.
It's a sad fact very unsavory types get promoted to positions of power within US and other government administrations.
I wonder how the news that Putin has announced a vaccine is ready for mass production impacts on your NWO conspiracy?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...ne-sputnik-v-concerns-approval-speed/12549068
 
This whole "New World Order" conspiracy crap is deranged. As for fingering Fauci as one of its supposed members, that is absurd beyond belief. The guy is an immunologist, not a member of some imaginary power-crazed elite, of lizard people or whatever.

This is garbage, worthy of Fat Freddy.
So #162 needed a booster shot of more pure prejudiced opinion? Throw in 'lizard people' for good effect. Though totally irrelevant - it will still garner smiling nods.
 
Imputing motives together with derogatory characterizations. I'd call that conformity to a Marxist instruction manual.
We know.
That's how we have come to understand that you have no idea what "Marxist" refers to.
Look this is specialist stuff to argue in depth. I'm not one and neither are you. Digging in around a non-negotiable mostly ideologically motivated position is the norm.
There's a decent and lay-comprehensible treatment of part of the case against your presumption of malicious conspiracy in a recent (end of July) "Science" journal article.

None of it appears "ideologically motivated", outside of suggestions of bothsides framing. Little of it involves giving the inadequate official Chinese response and consequent culpability a pass (the hopelessly ill-organized US government's handling of things, startlingly reactionary incompetence piled on corruption and venality in an urgent matter of public health, does get the more gentle and carefully unprovoking treatment - but one can argue that aspect is already well-known to those paying attention these past three or four years). The focus is on the arguments involved, and the mostly commendable reactions of the people on the front lines of an emergency response that their respective governments have hung out to twist in the geopolitical winds.
 
Putin appears to be taking a huge PR gamble
He's not risking much. He can count on the support of the current US administration for the next five or six months, and amnesiac confusion from then on regardless of US electoral outcome.
 
So you said he wasn't fired, he was promoted. In reality he was fired - and then got a completely different job in a completely different organization.
Instead, promotion to a top position.
Have you ever had a job? If so you'd understand the difference between promotion and being fired.
I'd call that conformity to a Marxist instruction manual.
Oh, you're one of those - a right wing nut case. Good to know.
 
Wow. A rash of hostile/skewed replies. In general whitewashing Operation Northwoods as nothing more than a legit war game exercise. BS. False Flag ops that included multiple terrorist acts against US citizens on US soil! All to be falsely blamed on a foreign enemy. And to point that out makes me 'dangerous'?! I'd say it's the other way round. I guess choosing Gladio B among other choice examples of 'Western' FF planning would have got the same response.
And btw the chief architect was merely relieved of command, and a short time later promoted to NATO Supreme Allied Commander:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_Lemnitzer
Someone admired his (and fellow conspirators) Op Northwoods thinking!
That FF conspiracy was signed off by the top brass and ONLY because Kennedy vetoed it did it not materialize. JFK was assassinated the following year. To suggest a possible connection is of course crazy conspiracy theorist nonsense. I'm sure you will all approve that much!
Yep.

And Operation Jade Helm was really a false flag US military operation approved by Obama because the UN and the WHO was taking over the US from a Walmart carpark in Texas...

On the one hand, you are carrying on as though Operation Northwoods was approved by one and all.. Your own links suggest that it was not approved and he was removed from his post shortly after.

On the other hand, it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread, aside from an asinine obsession with conspiracies..

Thus far we have ranged from a quasi Jewish/Israeli conspiracy, to now alluding to a military cabal conspiring to implement a new world order and going further now, insinuating that those involved with Northwoods were somehow involved with JFK's assassination.

I'd ask if the foil hat was on too tightly, but right now, I think you've gone for the full body suit of foil to reach this level of what can only be described as bat shit crazy.

Seriously dude, read your own words out loud and look at yourself in a mirror and hopefully you'll realise how deranged it all actually sounds.

Deja vue - 39 years later - only this new FF 'New Pearl Harbor' and following illegitimate invasions was enacted. To almost the sole benefit of a foreign 'close ally'.
Once again, particularly military commanders who notionally failed their duty, ALL got promotions instead! Makes some folks, conspiracy nut jobs obviously, a tad suspicious.
Please stop..

You lot prefer to trust official sources and if approved hack journos do a hatchet job on the likes of Mikovits then that's the truth and only weirdo conspiracy theorists(tm) would question such approved findings. Or so you keep telling each other and scolding at non-conformists.

I prefer to trust the dozens of scientists who have shown just how these conspiracies are wrong..

The atmosphere here is now too poisoned for further useful input. I never expected much better - this is after all ScienceForums. About time to remove the pretentious Science bit and give this 'woke' Leftist site a more accurate name.
It's actually "Sciforums", but it's understandable you'd get them mixed up.

After all, if you go out of your way to peddle Alex Jones level bullshit and demand people take you seriously, it stands to reason that the whole notion of science would go out the window and of course, it must be "woke" leftists..

You are lying. The substance of both bell's #171 response on that issue and yours in #172 is as I stated a whitewash that completely ignored the terrorist FF planning - available to read right there in that Wikipedia article. A different POTUS and there would likely have been a full-scale invasion of Cuba all based on lies.
It was one of numerous proposals. And it was rejected.

And just because they proposed it during JFK's Presidency does not mean there is now a conspiracy to implement a new world order by way of a viral pandemic.

So what? He and fellow conspirators should have had life sentences handed out. Instead, promotion to a top position.
For making a proposal?

What?

Imputing motives together with derogatory characterizations. I'd call that conformity to a Marxist instruction manual. Whether you personally identify with Marxism per se or not.
The irony is that you are whining about you being mischaracterised for your conspiracy theories about a new world order, Israeli/Jewish conspiracies, etc..

Such an absolute judgement is beyond your legitimate capacity to make. And I never claimed Fauci was the creator of COVID-19 virus. Mikovitz may or may not be right on that and may have somewhat exaggerated his role. I would have to firstly review precisely what she actually claimed anyway.
But I do give high credibility to her account regarding his evil attempts at destroying her career for failing to give in to his illegitimate demands.
It's a sad fact very unsavory types get promoted to positions of power within US and other government administrations.
Mikovits is a complete and utter quack who destroyed her own career because she is a complete and utter quack and a liar to boot.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...sial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

And more derogatory characterization. Trademark of the Left. Hate and bait.
Oh please!

You enter this thread and spout utter nonsense.

Don't whine when you're called out on it.
 
So #162 needed a booster shot of more pure prejudiced opinion? Throw in 'lizard people' for good effect. Though totally irrelevant - it will still garner smiling nods.
This New World Order crap is absolutely on a level with lizard people. Put the bong down, for God's sake.
 
OK, I'm convinced!! But before I jump in, a couple of questions....
Who's the supreme leader of this new world order?
Is it the "smoking man" portrayed in the X-Files?
And what is trying to be achieved?
Is the X-Files truly real?
Or is Millenium real and true?
Are we being taken for a ride?
Indeed, the truth is out there....lizard men, conspiracies, demonic possessions, aliens, etc.So I'm going back to bed!!!:D
 
i believe jfk was assassinated by usa nazis (i think that is the most likely statistical probability)

The atmosphere here is now too poisoned for further useful input.

self ingratiated self victimization ?
now whos playing the conspiracy game

you only have to watch old TV news footage of the massive number of USA nazis(kkk) to know the depth of perversion in the wider us social minds
it is the mass shooting capital of the world with some of the poorest most abandoned children & still has a thriving child slavery industry.
some of the highest levels of gun violence in the world when large dense working class populations have almost no guns at all.

it has the worlds highest suicide rate
and also the worlds highest lethal drug over dose rate
it also has the worlds most expensive health system
it also uses the most amount of the worlds cocaine (70% or somewhere around there all illegal money going to fund violence in their own communitys)[i am pro decriminalization & pro regulation]
it also uses many times more per person world resources than any other country

prostitution is illegal in the usa
which is just pure insanity

so im with you, i get you ... its a basket of nut jobs

what has that got to do with lemmings verses leftist's & rightist's ?
 
Putin appears to be taking a huge PR gamble and I doubt it's owing to special insider info. Maybe ask me again when or if Sputnik passes phase III trials.
It wont be long before his claim to fame leads to massive conspiracy theorists declaring that COVID-19 was a designer virus created by Russia who also developed an effective vaccine and used a smoke screen of insufficient and non transparent testing to cove the fact that they always had it.
After all he has inoculated his own daughter yes? even though it hasn't been tested in a wider population.

Would you inject your own daughter with an unproven drug to prevent an essentially unknown virus?
and then broadcast to the worlds media, your stupidity?

Must be a conspiracy....
so Russia developed a virus and vaccine and manipulated world media to support their agenda to a NWO...

Sanctions removed for access to the vaccine perhaps?
Vaccine carries an even more lethal version of COVID-19?
The mind boggles at the plethora of new conspiracy theories available let alone a few new NetFlix Streaming series...to binge on...
 
So what? He and fellow conspirators should have had life sentences handed out. Instead, promotion to a top position.
you mean like Guantanamo, all the usa leaders and personal involved and the usa leadership should all be facing criminal charges ?

or ...
do you mean the usa invasion of iraq before the UN declaration of legal right ?

collateral damage arguments ?
friendly fire stuff ?
usa police shootings ?

old boys club nepotistic class systems aside
are you suggesting all should be criminally liable for all actions
like the pilots and cabin crew should be guilty like a bank robbery get-a-way-car-driver ?
or a drug addict who buys off a dealer within the metered zone of a school ?

it does not appear that the usa people as a singular group are civilized enough to be held that accountable yet
most countrys are not
thus all systems are corrupt
it is just a matter of what type of style of corruption

where do you draw the moral line on that level of criminal liability ?
you could start a thread

"Human rights for Savages, Woke Verses Wanks & the Penis-envy-politics of human conciliatory arrangements"
 
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After all he has inoculated his own daughter yes?

she is probably being jabbed with all sorts of things :confused:
HPV vaccine
tetanus booster(i was thinking & meant Tuberculosis [TB])
probably a seasonal Flu vaccine
and thats not counting any required vaccinations for any travel (huge list i have been told by those who have done it)

its probably non lethal and likely to not have any serious side effect even if it doesn't work

whats one more prick in a world or _ss holes B-)

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SciForums - an ongoing Twilight Zone saga. Where conspiracies in high places cannot exist - except for MSM approved ones e.g. Putin & cronies interfering in US elections.
I could easily rebut point-by-point the explosion of nonsense which is p10 here, except maybe conceding that Mikovits is prone to error. But doing so will only bring on a new round of irrelevancies and severe distortions from my antagonists here.
Have a nice day all.
 
SciForums - an ongoing Twilight Zone saga.
A conspiracy within a conspiracy....

Where conspiracies in high places cannot exist - except for MSM approved ones e.g. Putin & cronies interfering in US elections.
Maybe, just maybe, batshit crazy really is just plain old batshit crazy.

And there is more than enough evidence that Russia and Putin interfered in the election as they have done so previously and in other countries as well. But that's irrelevant to this thread and subject matter.

I could easily rebut point-by-point the explosion of nonsense which is p10 here,
Please do!

Or maybe, please don't!

except maybe conceding that Mikovits is prone to error.
She's an anti-vaxxer quack.

Same kind of quack that Trump retweeted who also claimed that ovarian cysts comes from diddling demons in one's dreams.

But doing so will only bring on a new round of irrelevancies and severe distortions from my antagonists here.
You are the one who went off on false flags, brought up stuff from the Cuban missile crisis, inferred an Israeli/Jewish conspiracy, started going on about new world order crap.

Do you really think you are in any position to whine about irrelevancies at this point in time?
 
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