What is reality ?

Mark Turner said:
Quite obviously colliding particles will fragment the particles into smaller pieces .
Only a mediocre mind would declare each piece a new particle.

CERN is useless rubbish that billions is wasted on ....tax payers billions ....

Along with time dilation , fake lasers , etc.
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I see, creating conditions to resemble universal high energy events cannot yield useful information? We should know our place and not even attempt to enter that domain? It's outside of human experience and potential knowledge?

Do you believe in a "Unified field theory"?
The goal of a unified field theory has led to a great deal of progress for future theoretical physics and progress continues.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory
Why has the Higgs been the subject of so much hype, funding, and (mis)information? For two reasons. One, it was the last hold-out particle remaining hidden during the quest to check the accuracy of the Standard Model of Physics. This meant its discovery would validate more than a generation of scientific publication. Two, the Higgs is the particle which gives other particles their mass, making it both centrally important and seemingly magical. We tend to think of mass as an intrinsic property of all things, yet physicists believe that without the Higgs boson, mass fundamentally doesn’t exist.
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https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/208652-what-is-the-higgs-boson

I know it's just a minor detail in the standard model.......:rolleyes:
 
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Mark Turner said:
Well I've had enough of the lies in science , you can keep denying the truth all you want as I can demonstrate that which you deny .
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Your expressed certainty suggests that you know scientific "truth" to be other than as per scientific concensus.

Would you care to share this heretofore unknown scientific truth? I, for one would be very interested.
 
Write4U said:
I agree, but I believe the idea is that heat (energy) adds mass (weight) as per E = Mc^2 ?
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Ah I see where the idea stems from

Think I might be straddling the fence here but so be it

As objects move faster they gain kinetic energy but not mass

However a mass, let's keep it to something easy to visualise (I find maths and equations OK for working out stuff but not easy for visualising explanations) so I pick a ball bearing

I also pick a simple air pressure pipe with the ball bearing size bore

OK set up as follows
  • target 10 metres away
  • few kilos of identical ball bearings
  • pipe in ridged horizontal clamp
  • rear end has attached a pressure chamber
  • pressure chamber has attached air cylinder for filling chamber
  • also attached is pressure reading guage
  • OMG how much more
  • one more set of equipment (to much watching Myth Busters) marked board and motion camera to film ball bearing as it passes the markings
OK

Test equipment - throw a ball bearing at target - record result
This is our base mark
Load up pipe, pressure up chamber, release pressure, record pressure, speed, depth penetration
Double pressure
Repeat upping to max safety limit

Obviously would expect to see
higher pressure = higher speed = deeper penetration

Now comes the sitting on the fence moment

I would contend the deeper penetration comes from the higher speed
(the kinetic energy contained within the speed)
NOT
the miniscule increase in mass of the ball bearing due to its speed
(in the case of the water cube, the speeding up the atoms of water by heating) (which could be below a Planck mass) :) - if there is such a animal - if not I claim it as a Michael Mass

I admit I did read up some stuff about this but the extremely well thought out and exquisitely detailed answer contains my ideas because I am bored

So theoretically if heating stuff does increases mass it is unrecordable and any effects undetectable

Coffee time

:)
 
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Write4U said:
Your expressed certainty suggests that you know scientific "truth" to be other than as per scientific concensus.

Would you care to share this heretofore unknown scientific truth? I, for one would be very interested.
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The truth is we are still very primitive in our interpretations of science .
Take time for example , it isn't really scientific in a way of natural . Time was created before science became founded in the 17th century . What I need ,
is just somebody just to listen .
Prior, nobody would listen , thanks for wanting to listen .


Time is what a clock measures is a false statement .

A clock doesn't measure anything , we use a clock as a device to record our own aging .
I hope you understood this .
 
Michael 345 said:
Do you understand TIME does not exist?

Is that your position?

It mine (as many posters know)

What is your position please

:)
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My view on time is that one ages from birth, then we get too old too quick. I also think , that time is just a means to record this process , no other value but that of the practitioner .
If we consider time dilation in the Hafele and Keating experiment , we could say there is an aging dilation , if we need the correct interpretation.
Time (aging) can be considered thermodynamics , inflow and outflow rate of energy .
Do we need anymore than simple truths ?
 
Mark Turner said:
Time is what a clock measures is a false statement .
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And who makes that statement?
A clock doesn't measure anything , we use a clock as a device to record our own aging . I hope you understood this .
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The way you put it is contradictory. According to your own words, time does in fact measure and record "aging".....(Michael will like that...:))

I have a slightly different perspective. IMO, time is a resulting by-product of duration of change. The various time-frames (patterns) are arbitrarily set for convenient cataloguing and reference.
 
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Mark Turner said:
. I also think , that time is just a means to record this process , no other value but that of the practitioner .
If we consider time dilation in the Hafele and Keating experiment , we could say there is an aging dilation , if we need the correct interpretation.
Time (aging) can be considered thermodynamics , inflow and outflow rate of energy .
Do we need anymore than simple truths ?
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Noted you talked about age OK. Except age is not time and My view on time is that one ages from birth, then we get too old too quick a personal view point not science so irrelevant and crap 1 is If we consider time dilation in the Hafele and Keating experiment , we could say there is an aging dilation , if we need the correct interpretation with crap 2 being Time (aging) can be considered thermodynamics , inflow and outflow rate of energy

So you side stepped does TIME exist?

No problem, (starts to sob at his simple request being dashed on the rocks of stupidity)

:)
 
Write4U said:
The way you put it is contradictory. According to your own words, time does in fact measure and record "aging".....(Michael will like that...:))
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I like you pointing out it contradicts a earlier statement. Why not go the extra and say TIME does not exist so I can like it more :)

Write4U said:
I have a slightly different perspective. IMO, time is a resulting by-product of duration of change. The various time-frames (patterns) are arbitrarily set for convenient cataloguing and reference.
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I'll be kind and refrain from comment :)

Cheers :)
 
Michael 345 said:
Noted you talked about age OK. Except age is not time and My view on time is that one ages from birth, then we get too old too quick a personal view point not science so irrelevant and crap 1 is If we consider time dilation in the Hafele and Keating experiment , we could say there is an aging dilation , if we need the correct interpretation with crap 2 being Time (aging) can be considered thermodynamics , inflow and outflow rate of energy

So you side stepped does TIME exist?

No problem, (starts to sob at his simple request being dashed on the rocks of stupidity)

:)
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Time does not really exist independent of matter . The aging process is all that counts , I be getting old as we all do , as all things do in regards to decay .

Light matters , inflow and outflow of light being time itself .

I don't think there is any need to consider time any other way , its not something mystical .
 
Michael 345 said:
Why not go the extra and say TIME does not exist so I can like it more :)
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I'll meet you half way. Time does not exist in the absence of change, but is a simultaneous by-product generated during change.
This by-product is observable and utilized by many species for daily or seasonal activities, very much the same as for humans.

I believe it is called the "circadian rhythms" which are tuned to regular phenomenal "periods of change" (i.e. 24 hr cycle).
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You might have noticed that you feel energized or sleepy at the same times every day. You circadian rhythm is the reason why. In the sleep context, the circadian rhythm is your internal clock which controls when you are alert and tired. Circadian rhythms have been observed in plants and animals as well.
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https://en.getmoona.com/blogs/mission-sleep/how-your-circadian-rhythm-influences-your-sleep

As we can point to many species having cognition of intermittent time intervals, can we not say that once a regular time interval is created it exists and is used by biological memory systems for survival purposes?
 
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Write4U said:
As we can point to many species having cognition of intermittent time intervals, can we not say that once a regular time interval is created it exists and is used by biological memory systems for survival purposes?
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Only in the form of saying a inch exist as a form of measurement

Not sure I am there yet

:)
 
Mark Turner said:
Time does not really exist independent of matter . The aging process is all that counts , I be getting old as we all do , as all things do in regards to decay .

Light matters , inflow and outflow of light being time itself .

I don't think there is any need to consider time any other way , its not something mystical .
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What ever you THINK you are saying I am guessing you think is meaningful, even perhaps deep and meaningful

It is not

I will leave you at the mercy of the others

They appear to have more patience than myself

:)
 
Write4U said:
I can live with that. A temporal measurement created by change in spatial measurement.
We definitely agree that Time does not exist independent of other conditions...... :)
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Would you accept both our positions live on the land mass known as Schrodinger Cat Island with a Cheshire cat flag?

Flag flown, alternate days, full / half staff

There is more but bed calls as coffee wears off

:)

Write4U said:
We definitely agree that Time does not exist independent of other conditions......
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Not sure I can tag on independent of other conditions.....

:)
 
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