"IDF stole organs from 'Palestinians'" claim proven false.

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Yes, some people actually need proof. It's funny (not really) how any outrageous claim is taken seriously and printed in the world's newspapers, and Israel has to spend resources and have the onus of proof fall on it. Of course, by the time the debunking happened people's attention is on something entirely different, and it's been a few days since the original outrageous claim has stuck in their minds, and that's it.

JPost people interviewed the family who has allegedly made these body-part-snatching claims, and this family now says that (a) they weren't even interviewed by this Swedish anti-Semite, nor talked to him, and (b) they never even made these claims, and of course (c) they don't know and have no proof of anything (their own words- "we have no proof"), which is why they never made such claims. This Swedish liar just made it all up.
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Also, a "Palestinian" doctor (because to have a Jewish doctor say the exact same things would not be credible since Jews are all liars, right?) confirms that organs from dead people are no good for the living people -- with some medical explanations.
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Goody, I was just going to start a thread on this at spidey's request


Why do you think the IDF is returning Palestinians with their bodies autopsied?

Autopsies are very expensive, so it couldn't be random.

Here is the Swedish report, the Palestinian [central picture] has clearly been cut open and stitched up again.

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Also consider this:

In 2002 the then Attorney General Elyakim Rubinstein ordered the police to investigate Prof Yehuda Hiss, the director of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir after a growing number of Israelis discovered that deceased relatives (among them Israeli soldiers) arrived home after an autopsy with organs missing.
There was a long list of accusations against Hiss, ranging from unethical behaviour as a medical professional (removing organs and allowing medical students to perform anatomical dissections without consent) to criminal acts like ilegal sale of and dealings in organs and bodyparts.
There were 3 petitions by groups of Jewish Israelis to have Hiss suspended, but this was rejected by the High Court of Justice in July 2002.
The stories that the bodies of many young and healthy Palestinians killed during the Intifada were delivered back home with organs missing after an autopsy in Abu Kabir were peaking around this time. There is hard evidence that organs of Palestinians were removed at Abu Kabir. Even in cases, where the cause of death was obvious (head shattered by a bullit or shrapnel with the rest of the body intact) the victim ended up with his chest and abdomen cut open and kidneys, heart, or liver removed.
In 2003 the BBC reported that South African polic had arrested the members of a gang (incl. Israelis), who were buying organs in Brazil and Israel and smuggling them to South Africa, where they were transplanted into patients, who paid a lot of money for them.
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What reason do you see for any autopsies other than taking organs of perhaps still living victims?

Abu Kabir Operating Organ Warehouse
 
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retired Israeli army officer under arrest on suspicion of participating in an international organ trafficking scheme testified before a Brazilian court that the Israeli government financed organ transplants, the daily O Globo reported.

In South Africa, where the transplants were performed, police arrested an elderly physician and a regional transplant coordinator for a private hospital group for their involvement in the Israeli-led organ trafficking ring that was uncovered last December. The scheme involved donors from Brazil, and transplants performed in South Africa for patients from a variety of countries. (Transplant News, December 15, 2003)

The retired army officer, Geldaya Tauber Gady told a court in Brazil that Israel financed organ transplants in other countries, mainly South Africa, through its national health service. "The Israeli government is aware of the traffic in organs for patients in its country and pays for all transactions through 4 health plans," O Globo quoted Gady as telling the court.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0YUG/is_2_14/ai_n17208591/
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Even more:

4 June 2004
An Israeli organ trafficking ring which was smashed in South Africa last year has shifted its operations to China, according to a report in the New York Times. A 52-year-old Tel Aviv man, Ilan Peri, is alleged to have organised at least 100 kidney transplants for Israelis. The Times profiled the case of an American woman from Brooklyn and a Brazilian man from the impoverished city of Recife in Durban. She paid brokers US$60,000 (a special discount because of family ties) and he received $6,000 from them. The operation was performed at St Augustine's Hospital in Durban. This is owned by a private health care chain, Netcare, which boasts that it aims "to uphold South Africa's reputation as 'the transplant capital of the world'".

Organ donation rates in Israel are amongst the lowest in the developed world, partly because of a belief that Jewish religious law forbids it. To relieve the resulting organ shortage, brokers search for donors overseas for prices which can soar as high as US$150,000. Some advertise openly on radio stations for donors and recipients. There is no law in Israel against organ trafficking and government policy effectively encourages it by allowing Israelis who go abroad for transplants to be reimbursed as much as $80,000.

http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/7726/
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Seems to me like the Swedish reporter is being shouted down to suppress what is really going on.
 
Your logic is faulty and is stretching reason very very far.
There are many reasons to do an autopsy. Just off the top of my head: umm... determine the cause of death. How did he die (which would determine whether if he was killed by an Israeli bullet, by work accident, by his buddies in the crossfire, or who knows why. This info is pretty useful when international newspapers accuse you of the most idiotic things with no proof other than claims of some angry lying "Palestinians").

Anyway, let's go along with your logic for a moment - let's say there's no good reason to conduct an autopsy. From that, you jump straight to the conclusion of organ theft. There is no proof of this. No missing organs. No names or anything of this sort. The level to which Israeli policy respects "Palestinians" and Muslims in general is to such a degree that it would beyond shock me if these allegations were true.

All you have to do is visit Israel and see for yourself.

But you do the easy thing - conjecture. It's on par with you, and there's no convincing you. I know that. But at least other people will see things as they are.
 
Yeah, I see that the IDF "investigates" the cause of death in Palestinians it kills.

Could we see some of those reports?

All this evidence of organ trafficking by Israelis makes unsanctioned autopsies conducted without consent very suspicious.
 
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Yeah, I see that the IDF "investigates" the cause of death in Palestinians it kills.

Could we see some of those reports?
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You will not find these reports on the typical anti-Semetic websites you go to to get your info. But if you search for things you will find them. Thing is, you don't want to find them. And if someone throws it your way, you refuse to read them. But even if you read them you still refuse to accept the data and analysis and especially the conclusion. It's just you. But people who are not so extreme and rejectionist will find these reports and judge them based on the content, not based on the fact that "dirty Zionists" produced them.
 
I'm willing to be convinced, if your father left one morning and was returned home in the evening in a body bag with stitches from his chin to his navel, wouldn't you want to know why?

I want to know why that Palestinian and others like him were autopsied. Autopsies are expensive, they have to be recorded as an expense and there should be a paper trail justifying that expense.

If everything is above board.
 
Yes can we expect or get any answers?

What do you think?

If Gilad Shalit is returned in the same condition, do you doubt there will be questions?
 
You're right, they should, perhaps they weren't quick on the uptake. Does that mean there should be no investigation into the autopsies?
 
Until there is some proof of wrongdoing, I don't see why they should. The Palestinians will do anything to make the Israelis look bad. This accusation has been a PR win for them. The Republican smear machine could learn alot from them.
 
Is the Swedish reporter who eyewitnessed the body returned with the incision, Palestinian?
 
The Swedes have published another article over Israeli protests:

Swedish daily publishes second article on 'IDF organ harvesting'

Family of Palestinian teen killed in 1992 tells Aftonbladet reporters IDF soldiers demanded NIS 5,000 to return his body and claimed stitches result of autopsy ...

According to the family, the IDF demanded NIS 5,000 (about $1,300) to return the body.


"It was the middle of the night. The soldiers caused an electrical power outage in the entire village. Bilal was returned in a black bag; he had no teeth. The body was stitched from the neck all the way down to the abdomen," the Swedish newspaper quoted the mother as saying.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3765992,00.html
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Why would they remove his teeth? This is weird.
 
No shortage of propaganda and conspiracy theories when trying to further ones point of view but then again some people are willing to believe anything.
 
Maybe, but there hasn't been a single denial of the autopsies from Israel. And the Swedish reporter saw the autopsied body, so that is no conspiracy. And neither is the Israeli organ trafficking ring since arrrests have been made in Brazil and New York and testimonies given by retired IDF officers.
 
It has to be established that he even understood what he was looking at. Care to show any verified proof of what you claim? Its not easy to hide this kind of business as you well know. If what you say is true then it can only be a matter of time before it is fully exposed. In the meantime we can only deal with the facts that can be verified.
 
He's published the picture he took of the body in his report, of which I posted an image in post #2. The central picture is of the boy, Bilal

Its not easy to hide this kind of business as you well know
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How do you know its not? It seemed to be hidden very well until the ring was cracked in New York. How hard would it be to hide it in Israel?
 
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