"IDF stole organs from 'Palestinians'" claim proven false.

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Yes but they were never a part of the EU nor where they kicked out of the EU.

Eurotransplant deals with European countries alone so I don't know what you are referring to.

What were they kicked out of?

"Despite these efforts, illegal organ trafficking continues to thrive and can be attributed to corruption in healthcare systems, which has been traced as high up as the doctors themselves in China, Ukraine, and India, and the blind eye economically strained governments and health care programs must sometimes turn to organ trafficking. Some organs are also shipped to Uganda and the Netherlands. This was a main product in the triangular trade in 1934."

"The organization HODS (Halachic Organ Donor Society) is working to increase knowledge and participation in organ donation among Jews throughout the world."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_transplant

Illegal organ transfer happens you see everywhere but mostly in under developed nations. Religious dictates would only affect those who are religious.
 
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European Union Organ Donor Network

Does it require you to be a EU member?

Religious dictates would only affect those who are religious.
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Not according to the Israeli sources I posted.
 
The European Commission's website describes external European Union relations with Israel thusly:

"The EU and Israel committed themselves to establishing a partnership which provides for close political and mutually beneficial trade and investment relations together with economic, social, financial, civil scientific, technological and cultural cooperation."
 
S.A.M. said:
European Union Organ Donor Network

Does it require you to be a EU member?



Not according to the Israeli sources I posted.
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Think again

http://www.hods.org/

Rabbinic members:

http://www.hods.org/english/about/rabbisE.asp


"Eurotransplant International Foundation, commonly known simply as Eurotransplant, is an association of countries who share a common list of organ transplants, created by Professor Dr. Jon J. van Rood in 1967, in Leiden, the Netherlands. Member states include the Benelux countries, Germany, Austria, Slovenia and Croatia. Eurotransplant helps coordinate work in these countries' transplant centers, tissue classification laboratories, and hospitals, with the goal of efficiently distributing donated organs and tissues. The group also promotes research into transplantation and seeks to raise public awareness of the benefits of donation.

Comparable institutions are Scandiatransplant in Iceland, Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Sweden; as well as Balttransplant in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania."

Again what were the Israeli's kicked out of? It wasn't made clear.
 
Slysoon said:
The European Commission's website describes external European Union relations with Israel thusly:

"The EU and Israel committed themselves to establishing a partnership which provides for close political and mutually beneficial trade and investment relations together with economic, social, financial, civil scientific, technological and cultural cooperation."
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That is not an organ transplant organization. The EU is a separate entity.
 
Again what were the Israeli's kicked out of? It wasn't made clear.
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Maybe the rabbis are lying? Israel wasn't kicked out of any EU donor network? No idea really.
 
S.A.M. said:
Maybe the rabbis are lying? Israel wasn't kicked out of any EU donor network? No idea really.
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If you have no idea then why did you bring it up? Anyway it seems that there are Rabbis that are not so archaic as to deny the necessity of organ transplant so your point is incorrect.
 
I was responding to Slysoons comment. I don't think Israel's low rates of organ donation are up to the rabbis.

What are you debating exactly? That Israelis do not have a problem getting organs? Or that they do? Or what?
 
I am not debating. I was asking what the Israelis were kicked out of and I was showing you that you are incorrect when it comes to how Rabbis interpret their own religion. Obviously there are rabbis who accept donor transplant.
 
No one argued that the rabbis did not, since it came from a halachic website. However, the low rates of organ donation by Israelis can explain why they need organs from other places
 
Lucysnow said:
That is not an organ transplant organization. The EU is a separate entity.
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The European Union has many trade and investment relations with Israel, in addition to cooperational relations in social, financial, technological, and cultural fields. The Organ Donor Network is one of many networks overseen by the European Union which involves foreign nations. According to the Halachic Organ Donor Society, Israel was expelled from one such organ donor network sanctioned by the European Union because of a severe imbalance between the supply and demand of organs in Israel. Their expulsion is partially responsible for the severe organ shortage in Israel, which is primarily due to cultural mores against donating organs before and after death. These cultural mores may be influenced by halakha - Jewish religious law - because although most Israeli Jews consider themselves "secular", they view the sanctity of the body and burial practices through religious lenses. Finally, organ trading is not illegal in Israel.

Israel is not open to investigations regarding organ trafficking if the victims involve Palestinians for obvious reasons such as potentially poor media exposure on a global scale. Intuitively, however, it is not unreasonable to deduce that some Palestinians have been used as a source for organs, consensually or not. Stealing organs would hardly transgress IDF ethics.
 
The U.S has social, financial, technological and cultural fields with many nations but UNOS covers the US alone. So unless you can show which European organ transplant organization has 'kicked out' the Israeli's you are passing incorrect information. What is more Israel isn't and never has been an EU member, the EU engages in social, financial, technological, and cultural exchange with many non EU nations but this still has nothing to do with belonging to an organ transplant organization.
 
These allegations are serious and have been made over many years. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Both implicit organ smuggling activities by Israelis, and an organ trafficking link back to the Israeli authorities are covered in this Transplant News article.
A retired Israeli army officer under arrest on suspicion of participating in an international organ trafficking scheme testified before a Brazilian court that the Israeli government financed organ transplants, the daily O Globo reported.
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In South Africa, where the transplants were performed, police arrested an elderly physician and a regional transplant coordinator for a private hospital group for their involvement in the Israeli-led organ trafficking ring that was uncovered last December. The scheme involved donors from Brazil, and transplants performed in South Africa for patients from a variety of countries. (Transplant News, December 15, 2003)
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The retired army officer, Geldaya Tauber Gady told a court in Brazil that Israel financed organ transplants in other countries, mainly South Africa, through its national health service. "The Israeli government is aware of the traffic in organs for patients in its country and pays for all transactions through 4 health plans," O Globo quoted Gady as telling the court.
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(http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0YUG/is_2_14/ai_n17208591/)

These serious allegations above, should be enough to initiate a thorough investigation. If everything is above board there is nothing to hide.
 
I would assume that the EU would trade organs on a need basis not a regional basis. Is this a false assumption? Do European organ donation networks only supply organs to people in the EU?
 
Lucysnow said:
The U.S has social, financial, technological and cultural fields with many nations but UNOS covers the US alone. So unless you can show which European organ transplant organization has 'kicked out' the Israeli's you are passing incorrect information. What is more Israel isn't and never has been an EU member, the EU engages in social, financial, technological, and cultural exchange with many non EU nations but this still has nothing to do with belonging to an organ transplant organization.
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The statement was published by the Halachic Organ Donor Society itself. Whether they were obfuscating the issue or not has never been disclosed by the European Union.
 
You know often, parts of autopsys remove organs if there is some sort of abnormality. which involves dissecting said organ, maybe even dicing it up to study under microscope. And after that there really is no point in returning the organ back to the owner because it is in a dozen different pieces.

Anyways Sam, what would Israelis do with dead organs? Transplate them to dead people?
 
StrawDog said:
These allegations are serious and have been made over many years. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Both implicit organ smuggling activities by Israelis, and an organ trafficking link back to the Israeli authorities are covered in this Transplant News article.

These serious allegations above, should be enough to initiate a thorough investigation. If everything is above board there is nothing to hide.
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That is different than the Israeli government stealing Palestinian organs from people they kill.
 
fedr808 said:
You know often, parts of autopsys remove organs if there is some sort of abnormality. which involves dissecting said organ, maybe even dicing it up to study under microscope. And after that there really is no point in returning the organ back to the owner because it is in a dozen different pieces.

Anyways Sam, what would Israelis do with dead organs? Transplate them to dead people?
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You're assuming they are dead when they are taken. Why did they take Bilal after shooting him in the leg and chest?
 
spidergoat said:
That is different than the Israeli government stealing Palestinian organs from people they kill.
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Of course, but it reveals a distinct Israeli predilection for such activity, and thus ANY allegations involving organ plundering from ANY one, including Palestinians, should be taken seriously.
 
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