Abortion and the Death Penalty

[Enmos]

When I mentioned human as
other animals, that is only from biological point of view (as flesh).

So am I.

 

[Cazzo]

Which is clearly what I said. All Christians should have no problem with abortion. The baby goes directly to heaven. It has no chance to sin and therefore cannot end up in Hell. More happy people in Heaven. Perfect.

That may be true (about babies going to heaven), but I think Christians pet peev with abortion is it's an act of murder, killing, taking another humans life. An innocent defenseless human at that.

 

[Enmos]

Does this mean that since you support abortion, you also support killing animals?

Basically, yes.

 

[Sciencelovah]

Ah-hem, this atheist thinks Enmos is being pretty batty when it comes to this and we do prioritize humans above animals.

Actually, in atheistic point of view, Enmos view is understandable, because,
atheists do not believe in God and hence do not believe in creation; I suppose
atheists believe in evolution, i.e. human are evolved from simpler life forms.
Then, there is no reason to place higher value on human than on animals.

In religious point of view, all other life forms are created to support human life.
However, only human are equipped with necessary brain and heart, and its
associated responsibilities. Animals aren't equipped with those and hence are
free from responsibilities.

 

[Enmos]

Actually, in atheistic point of view, Enmos view is understandable, because,
atheists do not believe in God and hence do not believe in creation; I suppose
atheists believe in evolution, i.e. human are evolved from simpler life forms.
Then, there is no reason to place higher value on human than on animals.

Yes. Other than the fact that we are ourselves humans.
But that is a completely subjective viewpoint.

In religious point of view, all other life forms are created to support human life.
However, only human are equipped with necessary brain and heart, and its
associated responsibilities. Animals aren't equipped with those and hence are
free from responsibilities.

Well, then they are innocent. You said you were against the killing of the innocent.

 

[Sciencelovah]

Which is clearly what I said. All Christians should have no problem with abortion. The baby goes directly to heaven. It has no chance to sin and therefore cannot end up in Hell. More happy people in Heaven. Perfect.

Obviously you can be poor and have sinned. Simple caution dictates, well, caution. Further you can't kill yourself, that is a sin. But if you are good and killed by someone else, you go to Heaven. Pretty simple actually.

All those poor people don't commit suicide because they want to live. If you are
given the option to be born poor or not to be born at all, which one would you
choose? I suppose you would like to be born anyway, because you know once
you are born, you have the chance to have better life.

 

[Sciencelovah]

Yes. Other than the fact that we are ourselves humans.
But that is a completely subjective viewpoint.

Well, I am not an atheist.

Well, then they are innocent. You said you were against the killing of the innocent.

In religious point of view, all other life forms are created to support human life.
However, only human are equipped with necessary brain and heart, and its
associated responsibilities. Animals aren't equipped with those and hence are
free from responsibilities.

In this point of view, some animal are food for human. We aren't allow to hurt
animal, though. There are ethics in killing them for food. For example, it is not
allowed to kill animal with dull knives, because it will give them slow painful death.
It is also not allowed to kill animal for pleasure like in matador or any other sport.

 

[Enmos]

Well, I am not an atheist.

I know

In religious point of view, all other life forms are created to support human life.

This is, to me, the scariest part of religion.

In this point of view, some animal are food for human. We aren't allow to hurt
animal, though. There are ethics in killing them for food. For example, it is not
allowed to kill animal with dull knives, because it will give them slow painful death.
It is also not allowed to kill animal for pleasure like in matador or any other sport.

Killing animals for food is perfectly natural.
I have no problem, in principle, with killing animals for good reasons such as food or direct self-defense (the self-defense argument should the only one for abortion by the way).
However, we have come to a point that the environment cannot adequately support our huge population. We are damaging it by our very existence.

 

[visceral_instinct]

Girls under 18 should have the DNA found out as to who created the child and they should be put in jail for statuatory rape in most instances unless the girl marries whoever did it.

So it's only statutory rape if she's not married? That's asinine. A piece of paper does not make it 'not rape'.

I'm pro-choice and anti death penalty.

Have you ever seen a first trimester aborted fetus?

http://www.abort73.com/HTML/AbortionPictures/images/abortion-11-03.jpg

Didn't ofend or disgust me. I'd like to know though why is it all ripped open?

 

[Asguard]

actually VI marrage does nullify stat rape if its a legal marrage santioned by the courts.

it also is an exception to the liquor licencing laws (if your with your husband or wife you can drink with a meal even if your under 18 if they are over 18)

 

[Asguard]

i would love to see who voted for what, i think we have a lot of yanks voting here (or alot of sock puppets) to get a result of 71.43% in favor of the death penelty

every time this has been polled here its around 50% each way

 

[visceral_instinct]

actually VI marrage does nullify stat rape if its a legal marrage santioned by the courts.

it also is an exception to the liquor licencing laws (if your with your husband or wife you can drink with a meal even if your under 18 if they are over 18)

The law is an ass.

 

[Asguard]

to be honest its never going to be an issue because the courts are never going to santion marrage for someone who is under age. especially concidering the age of concent in victoria is 16 anyway, i think you need to be 18 to get married there though so you can have sex before you get tied down

 

[visceral_instinct]

:d :d

 

[Simon Anders]

That may be true (about babies going to heaven), but I think Christians pet peev with abortion is it's an act of murder, killing, taking another humans life. An innocent defenseless human at that.

We are all defenseless against death. That's the way God made the universe. Death will nail us now or later.
Innocent babies, however, are guaranteed
ETERNAL JOY.
No time to sin.
Just a direct line to their father's loving arms.

 

[Simon Anders]

I thought the Christian view was that everyone is born in sin?

Oh, there are a few crazies. But no God is going to send an unborn baby to hell.
Ask most Christians, they know.
I assume it is the same in Islam. But you can answer this, perhaps. The God of Islam would not send an unborn baby to a bad place?

 

[Asguard]

course not becuse there IS no god, there IS no hell

 

[Simon Anders]

course not becuse there IS no god, there IS no hell

Does the future exist?
If it doesn't, then there is nothing one can take from someone.
If it does, well, it is the way it is-

 

[S.A.M.]

So it's only statutory rape if she's not married? That's asinine. A piece of paper does not make it 'not rape'.

I'm pro-choice and anti death penalty.



Didn't ofend or disgust me. I'd like to know though why is it all ripped open?

Thats the process of abortion, they use a vacuum to suck out the fetus, thats the parts you see torn in the process.

 

[Bells]

That may be true (about babies going to heaven), but I think Christians pet peev with abortion is it's an act of murder, killing, taking another humans life. An innocent defenseless human at that.

And yet, so many Christians have no qualms about the death penalty.