Why the universe has to be so big?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Saint, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    So, apes are our ancestors?

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  3. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    No. We share a common ancestor.
     
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  5. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Apes are our ancestors AND we are still apes.
     
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  7. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    So humans and animals are equal?
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Define 'equal'.

    Humans are animals.
     
  9. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    If you look at evolution as a tree, it is usually depicted like this, then the top of it, the present day, is flat.
     
  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    WE are animals

    We do share over 90% of our genes with some apes and on this basis some nutters want to give those apes human status

    I've asked a few of those nutters if they would fly in a plane which did not have brakes or reverse thrusters

    After all it was 90% a plane. No takers. What a surprise

    You could up the anti and have a ape who had done 90% of the pilot training and got a 90% pass mark

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  11. river Valued Senior Member

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    No

    Apes nor chimps have physiology of their throat to evolve into vocal chords as we Humans have .

    Hence will never be able to evolve to our ability of complex language . And thought .
     
  12. Boris2 Valued Senior Member

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    That is a bad analogy based on a bad premise.
     
  13. river Valued Senior Member

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    The Universe is as big as it is , as I mentioned before , because of the space needed for any energy and therefore matter to exist . The ROOM needed to manifest .

    It would be interesting to shrink the room , space , of the hydrogen atom to the point where it could no longer behave , naturally.

    Then calculate the space needed for this atom to behave naturally.
     
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  14. river Valued Senior Member

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    Space is the most fundamental property of this Universe . Of any existence of anything . Nothing can exist without it nor function without it .

    I had a debate between , does space exist on its own , or is energy/matter-space , intertwined . Either begets the other ?

    After thinking upon this for many yrs. I came to my conclusion this way ; can space exist without any material manisfestation of any form ? Yes

    Because space is a fundamental property of any existance .

    But can any material form exist without space ? No

    So energy/matter needs space in order to exist , but space is independent of both existences .

    When energy forms , the space must be there in the first place . Because the form , energy , can not form , or manifest , on its own , independent of any space .
     
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  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No. Humans are Great Apes or Hominidae.

    Humans are no less Great Apes for having the capacity for speech.
     
  17. river Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever , from my post # 128

    No

    Apes nor chimps have physiology of their throat to evolve into vocal chords as we Humans have .

    Hence will never be able to evolve to our ability of complex language . And thought .
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You just said this. It's still not true.

    Having speech doesn't make us not apes.

    We're one of the Great Apes. Read the link.
     
  19. river Valued Senior Member

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    The point is Dave because we have the vocal evolution , we have become so far above our ancesters , that they , our ancesters don't , and could not ever know or understand how far above them we are .
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It may be your point, but it is beside the point.
    Humans are Great Apes.

    And I'm not sure what this 'above' thing is. Vocalization has yet to prove itself as a survival advantage.
     
  21. river Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously ...?

    But anyway open a new thread somewhere else because we have just hijacked this OP .
     
  22. river Valued Senior Member

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    From my post #131 ,

    Space is the most fundamental property of this Universe . Of any existence of anything . Nothing can exist without it nor function without it .

    I had a debate between , does space exist on its own , or is energy/matter-space , intertwined . Either begets the other ?

    After thinking upon this for many yrs. I came to my conclusion this way ; can space exist without any material manisfestation of any form ? Yes

    Because space is a fundamental property of any existance .

    But can any material form exist without space ? No

    So energy/matter needs space in order to exist , but space is independent of both existences .

    When energy forms , the space must be there in the first place . Because the form , energy , can not form , or manifest , on its own , independent of any space .
     
  23. river Valued Senior Member

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    From my post #130

    The Universe is as big as it is , as I mentioned before , because of the space needed for any energy and therefore matter to exist . The ROOM needed to manifest .

    It would be interesting to shrink the room , space , of the hydrogen atom to the point where it could no longer behave , naturally.

    Then calculate the space needed for this atom to behave naturally.
     

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