Why the universe has to be so big?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Saint, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    In other words, you're too vain to humbly admit to not only backing both sides when it suits, but having forgotten that you did there. Nothing changed from last time. Sigh.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not me my friend....I'm as down to earth as anyone can be and correct. And drawing you out of of woodwork is rather notable for most to see.

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    Anyway dinner is being served...you look after yourself OK?
     
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  5. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Before trotting off to dins, how about stating, unequivocally, which side you currently back. Would that be the Carroll et. al energy-is-not-conserved camp, or the Krauss et al. energy-is-conserved camp?
    Go on paddoboy - take the plunge. It will do you no end of self-esteem good!
     
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  7. river Valued Senior Member

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    pad has an ego that knows no bounds .
     
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  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No thanks, dinner was far more important then your silly vengfull vendettas. But having now had dinner and checking through your link, I can now see the reason for your distress. Being outed as a closeted IDer explains a lot particularly what has been evident among many IDers and accepted mainstream science, particularly in their fruitless efforts to some how invalidate or falsify GR. Obviously and as I'm sure you know, that will not happen here or on any other science forum.
    The answer to your loaded question? I have given that answer, but let me now refer you to a thread yesterday in which you decided to pick me up on some pedantic date error, but still did not answer the question about the subject of the thread, and particularly if you accept Aliens have visited Earth, as put by some: Or whether you accept the fact that no extraordinary evidence is forthcoming indicating any Alien visitations. No, I'm not going to the trouble of giving you the link, It's not that important to me to highlight your limitations and problems, and anyway you know the thread concerned.
    Now obviously your computer is chock full of bookmarks regarding what I have said, and my invalidation of trolls, nuts and anti mainstream pretenders. On that you are one up on me, as in my view such fanaticism and obsession is not really a part of my makeup.
    How about putting the question to river? I doubt though he has ever heard of Carroll or Krauss, but he will certainly give you the lowdown on a bloke called Branderburg and an atomic war by Aliens on Mars. "nudge, nudge, wink, wink"

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    He would love your support on that!

    Again as I have said, I have given the answer and stand by it, just as I stand by the validity of GR, gravitational radiation, and accepted mainstream science. .


    Of course my links to articles will continue unabated, as will my answers within my ability to trolls, nuts would be's if they could be's and others pushing unscientific crap.
    All the best qreeus!

    ps: My apologies for being the impetus in dragging you out of retirement.

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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Highlighting your nonsensical claims like the Branderburg nut and atomic war on Mars is not in anyway related to ego...
     
  10. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    After your ranty departure early this year, it's sort of expected (well, hoped) that upon return you might be to some significant extent a 'changed man'. Alas obviously not so. The leopard that cannot change its spots. Still employing attack-as-best-means-of-defense. And attacking completely off-topic to boot. Which latter tactic need I remind you is contrary to the rules here. But I'm guessing Admin/Mods will turn a blind eye to that. Site stats and impeccable PC loyalty atones for a multitude of sins here at SF.

    Anyway, I have no intention of taking the bait re your challenge over at that other thread in that other sub-forum. Nor should I. Stick to the current topic here please.
    Your dodge reply signals a continued unwillingness to climb down from the fence re 'energy of the universe'. Which is understandable as you have no technical capacity to rationally defend either position. Which situation per se is not an issue but trying to weasel out of admitting such is. Do have a nice evening digesting that fine meal paddoboy.

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  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And I'm not taking your bait. I have given my answer.
    Why is the universe so big?
    The universe may be infinite, although infinity doesn't sit well with me.
    Actually the universe is the way it is by chance and chance alone. The observable universe is around 95 billion L/years across, and there are billions of galaxies with billions of stars from which life itself evolved. It's all chance.
     
  12. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Someone upstairs is batting for you methinks. No email notification following my last post. Must have upset someone else's sensibilities. I'll take the hint and ride it out.
    Oh yeah though - a truly AWESOME universe!!! But as for dogmatically implying billions of stars in each of billions of galaxies are for sure life cradles is a stretch not even hardened life-is-everywhere' advocates would adopt. But then who are they to challenge...

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    Would have been nice though to readdress river with a carefully qualified update. After having been reminded of your dual advocacy of you know what. Then again river and anyone else reading this can figure out the general picture.
     
  13. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Lives are determined by God.
    He is the creator.
     
  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I'd go with those odds

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  15. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    That's what comes of watching too many PBS-style specials hosted by the likes of Neil deGrasse Tyson

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    . The utter arrogance of thinking we might be alone. How small minded can one descend into!!
    Sure there just may be lots of populated planets out there - but so far ZERO evidence. And given science it's claimed deals only in empirically verifiable evidence, there is a big problem claiming exobiology as anything other than speculation.
    But suppose we did place bets - how would you plan on collecting? Other than - shock horror - an alien infested UFO landing on the White House lawn sometime soon?
     
  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Never said anything about evidence and I doubt you will find ANY scientists who, arrogance or not, has claimed life is out there

    Best you can find is those who contend
    • The ingredients for life are out there
    • In abundance
    • Planets in the Goldilocks zone are out there
    • In abundance
    • Life on Earth fits into a very wide range of extreme conditions
    • And to be clear the expression "there is bound to be life out there"
    • Is talking about life as anything from microbe to blue whale
    • No mention of intelligence
    Sure I would take those odds

    I certainly would not bet on finding god out there though

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  17. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    okey-dokey. A standard suite of points that taken together looks 'compelling'. Whereas I consider Neil deGrasse Tyson et. al. to typify PR triumph by slick style over substance. You do recall my linking to James Tour's excellent articles on the stupendous issues facing abiogenesis? Whatever. We are diverging right away from this thread topic so...nighty night for now.

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  18. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have evidence of this or is this your belief?
     
  19. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. I strongly suspect there is life outside of earth but it is speculation. If we find evidence of life past or present on any planet or moon in the solar system then I will consider that life is probably common, but that still does not answer the question, is there extraterrestrial intelligent life? It could still be possible that we are just the biggest fluke in the universe.
     
  20. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Plenty of evidence of GOD,
    do you have evidence monkey can evolve into humans?

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  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    News flash
    Monkeys NEVER evolved into humans so no evidence exists to have

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  22. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    I have seen no evidence of God.

    There is plenty of evidence that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, which is what I assume you are trying to say. I can supply the evidence if you want, do you have any evidence of God?
     
  23. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    We apparently share 50% of our DNA with bananas

    http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=12889

    I contend the 50% banana share contains the dumb genes. This enables some people to look like humans but be as dumb as a banana

    Lots of evidence of that around

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