We never went to the moon.

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  1. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    I was referring to the media that said the geologists were sure the rocks came from the moon. The American media have been totally discredited.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-26#post-3475851

    What Chomsky says about the cold war is relevant to the rock issue. The Apollo-believers' argument is that the Soviets would have snitched. Chomsky says that the relationship between the US and the Soviets was not necessarily what we were being told by the American media. Please address this.


    Anyone who reads those threads can see that you're avoiding the issue. There was no reason for an objective moderator to close those threads. The posters on the thread about the Chinese spacewalk obviously didn't even believe their own arguments. They were looking silly trying to obfuscate the obvious so the moderator closed the thread to save them.

    Here the disinfo agents couldn't accept the fact that they'd lost so they just continued trying to muddy the waters to confuse the viewers like you people are doing right now.
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?145609-The-Flag-Anomaly-Proves-the-Hoax-by-Itself

    The fact that the flag movement was caused by air was proven to the satisfaction of a thinking person. That's when I left.

    The moderator lamely closed this thread with a pretext because the issue of Collins' bouncing jacket corner had the pro-Apollo posters checkmated.
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?148701-Latest-Apollo-Hoax-Proof

    If he'd let them go on, they would have really looked silly.



    Sorry but that is how it works. If there's a plausible scenario that would explain why what we read is a lie, what we read can't be used as proof. You'd get laughed out of the debating hall for using this argument.

    Anyway, as I've said before, the rock issue isn't about whether they faked the missions. It's about how they faked them as there are lots of anomalies that proved the hoax a long time ago.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-41#post-3497830

    I'd say the rock issue is closed. What's the next piece of proof on your list?
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    FF, in all your contributions, the very best you've done - if one is to generously grant everything you say - is that there are some odd anomalies that suggest individual events and items things may not be quite what they seem.

    Worse, every one of your arguments is of the form: this doesn't look right to me, therefore it must be false. (and therefore everything it's based on must be false too.)

    Finally, the best that can be said by your arguments is that the whole thing being a hoax is a possible explanation.

    That is a far, far cry from proving any of it is hoaxed. Heck, it's a far, far cry from evidencing any of it is hoaxed.


    So I ask: do you have any actual evidence that any component is actually hoaxed (as opposed to merely suspicious)? Documents? Scale models? Camera equipment? Studio? Anything?

    Otherwise, at its most generous, the best you have is a hypothesis.
     
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  5. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    So what!! The media is worldwide and is simply reporting on THOUSANDS of analyses from THOUSANDS of geologists and pathologists. What your stupid circular logic dismisses is totally irrelevant. The actual reports still stand.

    No really they haven't. No reporting system is ever 100% accurate. But what you are doing is effectively attempting to dismiss THOUSANDS of reports NOT from any media, because YOU claim another idiotic conspiracy that isn't relevant and is one single country!

    How totally useless are you.

    Point me to the provable, verifiable facts that back up Chomsky's claim. It is not relevant at all. We have peer reviewed samples at multiple levels, across multiple countries on a scale far exceeding any normal evidential requirement.

    Chomsky is a reliable source is he? He says 911 was not an inside job!! Please spare us your moronic claim that he was "got at". By your own ignorant standards, we can dismiss everything he says.

    You ignore entire rebuttal from Windley and Betamax101 based on YOUR self reinforcing circular crap.

    The appeal to invisible support. Anyone who thinks China faked their spacewalk is a moron. Do not even think about spamming your horseshit links about it, otherwise I will report it for deliberate off topic trolling. This whole nonsense about another forum is just idiot diversion. You basically once again ignore concise and thorough rebuttal based on YOUR own spamming opinion.

    You live in cloud cuckoo land. Everyone who argues with your stupid claims is labelled a disinfo agent or a sophist. THEN you get to ignore it all because it kicks your hopeless butt.

    You aren't a thinking person! Don't make me laugh. Your favourite spam item the Apollo 15 flag, diversion from rocks noted.

    Favourite spam item number 2. Another diversion attempt. Only a moron fails to see clear signs of weightlessness during that footage.

    Nope.

    Moronic circular reasoning that isn't even relevant anyway. What the AMERICAN media reports is nothing to do with the THOUSANDS of peer reviewed anslyses by experts from every country.

    Spam cut and paste response. You wouldn't even get in to a debate.

    Yes spammer you have said that before. You ignored the response.

    You have it back to front. The multiple landings have been proven beyond any doubt. Simple minded people who are incapable of assessing evidence, or understanding one single discipline relating to space travel, or in this case geology, do not even make a dent in that.

    You clearly don't believe in your own ludicrous argument. You know the missions were not faked, so clearly you have some sort of anti American agenda going on.

    Nope. Your idiotic arguing prowess is blowing air out of your butt.

    The rocks have been analysed extensively.

    PROVEN:

    1. They cannot be from Earth.
    2. They cannot be meteorites.
    3. There is not even one tiny scrap of evidence they were retrieved by remote.
    4. Retrieval by remote, of that volume, is not even possible with modern machinery.
    5. The rocks have been proven to come from the Moon.

    Checkmate. Since you are the equivalent of a pigeon playing chess, of course you will fail to address this issue properly.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That's a handy claim. Everything that debunks the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy.

    But what if there's a conspiracy to fool YOU into thinking there's a conspiracy?
     
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  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Given that Apollo hoaxers have been proven to lie again and again, then nothing they say can be used as proof.

    Glad that's settled. Next topic?
     
  9. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    You people can pretend all you want. The anomalies in the footage are so clear that they prove the hoax beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    (post #916)
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-46#post-3513076


    Once the viewers have seen them, there's really nothing you can do to make them think the missions were real. Also, you people have destroyed your credibility by maintaining that the Chinese spacewalk was real and agreeing with Jay Windley's analysis of the dust-free sand issue.

    (post #956)
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-48#post-3514700


    Once the viewers have seen all of this, your success rate is going to be close to zero no matter what you say. All you can do is try to keep them from seeing it.


    You people are about as impressive as the Black Knight in this video.

    Monty Python And The Holy Grail- The Black Knight
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    You on the other hand are as impressive as the Black Lights chopped off left leg

    Nothing upstairs and no body to any of your crap

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  12. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    And there we have it. The spam pigeon knocks all the pieces over and craps on the board. You miserable fake of a person. You just lost the debate and run away like a big coward!!

    IGNORED FROM ABOVE:
    So what!! The media is worldwide and is simply reporting on THOUSANDS of analyses from THOUSANDS of geologists and pathologists. What your stupid circular logic dismisses is totally irrelevant. The actual reports still stand.



    No really they haven't. No reporting system is ever 100% accurate. But what you are doing is effectively attempting to dismiss THOUSANDS of reports NOT from any media, because YOU claim another idiotic conspiracy that isn't relevant and is one single country!

    How totally useless are You!

    Point me to the provable, verifiable facts that back up Chomsky's claim. It is not relevant at all. We have peer reviewed samples at multiple levels, across multiple countries on a scale far exceeding any normal evidential requirement.

    Chomsky is a reliable source is he? He says 911 was not an inside job!! Please spare us your moronic claim that he was "got at". By your own ignorant standards, we can dismiss everything he says.

    You ignore entire rebuttal from Windley and Betamax101 based on YOUR self reinforcing circular crap.

    The appeal to invisible support. Anyone who thinks China faked their spacewalk is a moron. Do not even think about spamming your horseshit links about it, otherwise I will report it for deliberate off topic trolling. This whole nonsense about another forum is just idiot diversion. You basically once again ignore concise and thorough rebuttal based on YOUR own spamming opinion.

    You live in cloud cuckoo land. Everyone who argues with your stupid claims is labelled a disinfo agent or a sophist. THEN you get to ignore it all because it kicks your hopeless butt.

    The rocks have been analysed extensively.

    PROVEN:

    1. They cannot be from Earth.
    2. They cannot be meteorites.
    3. There is not even one tiny scrap of evidence they were retrieved by remote.
    4. Retrieval by remote, of that volume, is not even possible with modern machinery.
    5. The rocks have been proven to come from the Moon.

    Checkmate. Since you are the equivalent of a pigeon playing chess, of course you will fail to address this issue properly.

    You big phoney. As predicted you ignored it. Your spam response is blah blah "no credibility" blah blah "sophistry" blah blah "there comes a point" blah blah and you ignore it again.

    You lost this debate 10 years ago and have been spamming 100s of message boards trying to find idiots to agree with you.
     
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  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Let's take one such anomaly - that in some pictures, the crosshairs on the reticle seem to be BEHIND the objects. Hoaxers claimed that this was hard proof that the pictures were manufactured, and were thus hoaxes.

    However, when the original photos were examined (not the prints made from them) the crosshairs were seen in front of the objects, as expected. The prints "bled" over the crosshairs in bright areas, making it look like the crosses were behind the brighter objects.

    So that's a proven lie by the hoaxers. And as you have stated, if there's a plausible scenario that would explain why what we read is a lie, what we read can't be used as proof. So you have no proof.

    Next topic!
     
  14. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Just one "gotcha!" after another. Conspiracy theory infatuation is very like being fanatically religious.
     
  15. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    We might as well just agree to disagree on the rock issue as you have unshakable faith that the media wouldn't lie about this and we're just reiterating our positions. Anyway, as I keep saying, there's no way to be sure the Soviets didn't lie about their lunar samples so geologists' saying that the Apollo rocks match the Soviet rocks doesn't prove anything no matter how many geologists say that.

    (post #990)
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-50#post-3517723

    This argument goes for the geologists too.
    http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709
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    Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked?

    A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require.
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  16. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Meh, you fraud. Are you having trouble reading?! Quite clearly this is nothing whatsoever about what the bloody media reports. As stated it is an issue of THOUSANDS of independent analyses all corroborating each other. You have no answer to this so make up bullshit about the media!

    A truly pathetic claim. Listen to yourself arm waving away a small point about the Soviets TINY amount of remotely retrieved samples Your useless unproven claim about a fake cold war used to bolster an idiotic side issue.

    Now spammer. The rocks are proven to be authentic. Explain.
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You believe in the Hubble space telescope? How gullible can you get?
     
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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    But geologists know a lot more about rocks than you do - and they claim they are lunar. You can, of course, lie about it; your lies would tend support your crazy claims.

    And as you have stated, if there's a plausible scenario that would explain why what we read is a lie, what we read can't be used as proof. So once again anything we read from you can't be used as proof.

    You are arguing yourself into the ground here.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Especially since they have never shown anyone looking through its eyepiece

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  20. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    It's not the just US. Those rich people control all of the mainstream media in countries that are aligned with the US. If you're not a paid sophist and you really believe what you're saying, you should get informed. Check out this info.
    https://www.google.es/search?biw=1280&bih=903&tbm=vid&ei=oD30WpOoKsKmU-fTptgJ&q=what is the bilderberg club?&oq=what is the bilderberg club?&gs_l=psy-ab.12...20612.42067.0.45057.15.15.0.0.0.0.103.1168.12j2.14.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.2.184...0i13k1j0i13i30k1j0i8i13i30k1.0.mDLzUfZ5E4Y
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-26#post-3475851

    All you know about the rocks comes from second-hand info which may or may not be bogus. Therefore, it's not proof. We have to look at the actual footage and pictures to get a real idea of whether the missions were faked or not.


    This video proves that wire supports were used to simulate lunar gravity.

    The Apollo Moon Jump Salute Refute


    These anomalies prove the hoax all by themselves.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-15#post-3391329


    The reflection of a studio light in the astronaut's visor is pretty suspicious.
    http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_9.html


    The size of the reflection of the sun in the astronauts' visors is obviously not that of the real sun.

    The Mystery of the Apollo Sun

    http://www.aulis.com/sunsize.htm

    There's no blast crater under the lander.
    https://thoughtworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/picture1.jpg

    MoonFaker: No Crater. PART 1



    Written reports that say thousands of scientists have confirmed that the rocks came from the moon don't make all of this crushing proof of a hoax go away. You can pretend all you want. There is a point at which things are so clear that sophistry simply becomes ineffective. Your success rate at trying to make the viewers think the missions were real is close to zero. The hoax proof is simply too clear to obfuscate.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm still waiting for actual evidence of the hoax itself.

    You've got a lot of questions about things that seem mysterious. But they're just questions whose answers don't satisfy you. That is not the same as pointing toward a hoax. All you've got is a conjecture.

    What extant evidence do you have?
     
  22. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Quick question: does anyone believe NASA is faking evidence for global warming?

    I saw that accusation come out in a debate. Simply dismissing charts and graphs from NASA.
     
  23. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Spam and evasion. You keep posting your bullshit claims about the media when the issue of the rocks is about thousands of peer reviewed reports across multiple countries from thousands of people.

    You gigantic fake. You are totally cornered and know it. The rocks prove the missions all on their own.

    The entire record of science gets reported this way. You are one of the most deluded people on the planet to arm wave away that level of conclusive corroborated evidence.

    Done and answered. Also ignored by you. I know for a fact all the below was addressed in detail on the politicalforum.

    No it does not. You don't know what the word prove means. That video takes a one second tiny section, speeds up the video and sort of aligns it with an example on Earth. If you elongate the section it comes from, the astronauts cross over! The regolith during that section moves too slowly when kicked.

    This speed up factor, does not work in any way against the visible regolith being seen kicked about in virtually every available video. It is always very noticeably too slow. There are hundreds of videos showing astronaut activity with falling objects and soil, that PROVE properly that this is on the Moon. Needless to say you ignore them and come up with some meaningless claim about the video speed. I wonder if it is because you are trolling or just don't understand this basic thing.

    Idiotic spam debunked hundreds of times. Needless to say ignored by you. Your autospam response is that you haven't seen them debunked. Yes you have.

    Your dishonesty is appalling. It's a smudge on the visor and is visible on several other images.

    Answer this:

    1. This is pareidolia, the smudge resembles a massive Fresnel with barn doors light. It creates a visible SPOTLIT area. What stupid reason would they use such a thing? Based on estimated distance and its size on the visor it is several feet across!
    2. It is "off". How the hell would it show up against a dark background?
    3. Explain why the mark appears in other images in the same place!

    Pathetic spam, answered and ignored by you. These two videos on this page completely and 100% debunk that stupid claim. Your stock bullshit reply is "it may turn out to be right but doesn't make the bullshit mountain of hoax crap go away".

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/superlight-contention.html?m=1






    The internet is littered with hundreds of debunks to this, but hey, stupid NASA, takes pictures of under the LM, gets astronauts to comment on the lack of any serious crater, then forget to simply dig one out on every mission. Explain why a throttled back much lighter LM(from depleted fuel), would produce a crater.


    No spammer, as noted you have this back to front.

    The rocks and the vast catalog of totally consistent evidence prove the missions. Idiotic and ignorant observations, debunked for decades can be consigned to the garbage bin.

    Spam cut and paste response. This is the point the coward runs away or resorts to flooding the thread with already answered bullshit.
     
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