We never went to the moon.

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  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Who do you think is paying me?
     
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  3. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    I cannot adequately put in to words quite how appallingly inept you are at physics. The exhaust gasses are not impeded by air because it is a vacuum. They travel at hundreds of meters per second.

    Instead of jumping up and down like a comedy troll, explain what the problem is. If it is a slip up, should be easy for you. Your opinion is already as useless as they come, so try not to think it qualifies as a fact!

    The gasses expand from the bell at 90 degrees. They strike an area generally circular with a diameter of 72 feet. Hence the gentle dust dispersion. As far as diminishing the pressure, this is true for the areas away from the centre of the bell. As the exhaust gasses expand outwards it reduces significantly. In the central areas it does not change much. If anything it would be more than 1.7psi because the LM has much more fuel and therefore mass, is NOT hovering but is throttled up higher to arrest its fall. I estimated a minimum psi of around 0.025 at the edges.

    Explain what the problem is, change a habit of a lifetime and actually respond with more than hot air!

    No really he didn't. He's the engineer, you are
    the serial forum spammer. You have no credibility whatsoever. You systematically ignore huge posts and informed rebuttal.
     
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  5. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Apollo Moon Hoax Conspiracy, Financial Division, I am going to start agreeing with fatfreddy, that we didn't go to the moon, unless I start getting paid!!!

    Sideshowbob, what is the starting salary?

    One other thing, do each of the conspiracies pay individual salaries or is there like one big pot of money and you only get one salary for supporting all of the conspiracies?
     
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  7. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    No he isn't. Your opinion is as irrelevant as you are.

    Nope. He gave you a sound thrashing on subjects you know nothing about. Your opinion doesn't count.

    This is called poisoning the well. It is a cowardly copout that you use to ignore replies.

    Oh My God. Do you really use your brain before you type. That is the whole bloody point!

    The reflection of the Sun in a visor is a pinprick. What we see IS the glare on the visor. As explained to you, on images it is much smaller compared to the blooming caused by vidicon tubes in the video cameras.

    Pathetic. It isn't a superlight. That video proves the source is narrower than the metal tube.

    Debunked.

    The spam list you post has all been debunked like this idiotic claim. It doesn't need "testing"! The video clip speaks for itself. The nonsensical claims you make do not make the mountain of proof authenticating the missions go away. These would be things like the rocks that you cannot explain!

    That would be where the "truther" avoids the entire post with bullshit OPINION and yet another poisoning the well routine.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Hopefully not. Hopefully it will be remembered here for a long time, so people have an example of physics triumphing over woo.

    (BTW they do pay me quite well as an engineer, which requires that I use science in my designs rather than woo.)
    Now that you have been caught in a falsehood, and fallen flat on your face, you are trying to change the subject! But remember what you said? If there's a plausible scenario that would explain why what we read is a lie, what we read can't be used as proof. So you have no proof.
     
  9. Kittamaru No more Valued Senior Member

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    What sucks is this ideology (both overall and within SciForums), which has spread to near epidemic proportions, that one persons ignorance is somehow just as valuable and relevant as an entire societies accumulated wealth of knowledge.

    It's bullshit, and is, quite frankly, dangerous and harmful to society as a whole. It stymies progress, results in the comeback of preventable diseases, keeps folks from treatments for ailments that could readily be cured or cared for, and promotes a bigotry and divide that very little (except, perhaps, for the eventual expiration of the people promoting it) of those who fall under its sway.

    It is an honest to God blight upon the land... and one that may very well be the undoing of America as a whole... and possibly civilized society overall.
     
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  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. Gore talks about this phenomenon in "The Assault on Reason."

    There was an old (and quite valid) maxim in journalism that says you have to give a complete view of any situation, including dissenting opinions. However, that generally involved the journalist doing enough research to determine what the reality of the situation likely was, so that they could more accurately describe it.

    Today, that's been sort of twisted into "all opinions are equal." So to be "fair and balanced" a station gives as much time to a creationist as an evolutionary biologist, as much time to an anti-vaxxer as a doctor, as much time to an Apollo hoaxer as to an astronaut, as much time to a flat Earther as to a geologist. Often there's no real commentary supplied, just a talking head moderating the forum asking questions like "so you disagree with the other guy. Can you tell us more?" This leads people to believe that both viewpoint ARE equally valid, and thus there's no consensus on evolution (or climate change, or whether or not the Earth is really flat, or whether or not the Holocaust really happened.)
     
  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    heh.

     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, it is only us that keep it alive, by engaging him. Were this post to stop receiving comments, it would fail to thrive.
    Just sayin'...
     
  13. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    So every moon / space mission faked

    Got it

    Does make me curious though why the Russians were not the first to fake a cosmonaut on the moon?

    Any ideas FF?

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  14. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    As a additional thought provoking idea for FF why did America stop faking moon landings?

    Additionally why hasn't NASA moved on to bigger and better fakes?

    First man landing on Mars would be a perfect fit for the next faking

    Posting about Mars, has anyone seen anything about the rover landings on Mars being fake?

    FF your chance to truely shine by posting answers to the above

    Don't let me down

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  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It was that faked Sputnik that provoked the race to the moon in the first place.
     
  16. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    I remember that

    Age about 14 /15 in London

    The Daily Mirror Newspaper had the price at the top of the page in a small circle

    Reporting the Sputnik they added the Sputnik antenna to the circle

    Might try and find if the page is on line later

    Breakfast time now

    Quick thought bubble

    Why do people who think the moon landing is fake also believe there was an advanced civilization Atlantis which sank into the ocean?

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  17. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Because they couldn't fake it properly.

    Like:

    1. 50 hours of surface video.
    2. 2000 hours of audio.
    3. 842lbs of perfect samples.
    4. A dozen gigabytes of surface ALSEP data.
    5. Three laser reflectors.
    6. Hardware collisions with the Moon and seismic experiments.
    7. LROC pictures in the hundreds.
    8. A few thousand film pictures.
    9. Six successful landings.
    10. One flyby, one close proximity, one abort mission.
    11. Verification by Japan, Russia, China and India by photography and topography.
    12. A dozen hours of film footage.
    13. Tens of thousands of mission reports and follow up scientific analyses.
    14. Verification from Jodrell Bank.
    15. Radio signals emanating from the Moon at each landing zone.

    Lots of minor stuff and the whole shebang completely consistent and faultless* 50 years later.

    A bit over the top to say the least. One landing, a bit of crusty video and a few grams of regolith. That would have sufficed.


    * Yes faultless. Internet zeros who spot "missing" blast craters/stars, "faulty" shadows and a whole host of cluster**** claims, don't actually count.
     
  18. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Well with the benefit of hindsight, and the expertise of FF and Co to rely on, a fake Mars landing is a shoo-in

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  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Bruh.
     
  20. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Arrrr but I heard the conspiracy theory that this WAS to be the faked Mars landing, but was leaked "accidentally" by a bored Elvis Presley

    So they made the best of the blunder and called it a movie

    Nothing like being alive when you're sposted to be dead to bring on boredum

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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Turns out the movie is a hoax.
    Someone found actual footage of the Mars Mission and edited it to make it look like a movie.
     
  22. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    Oh what a tale we wheave
    When first we practice to deceive

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  23. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    billvon said this.

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    The bottom line is that what you said is nowhere near consistent with what's happening in this video. No calculations are necessary.

    Apollo 11 landing - full sequence



    Watch it from the 12:35 time mark to the end.
     
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