Raising Children Without the Concept of Sin

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Goldtop, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You'll need to elaborate on that?

    Yes.

    What knowledge?

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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What is in your head?

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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Woohaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! Perhaps that was one of the other commandments which remain secret?
    Slavery is not "immoral"? What exactly are you stating with that question?

    You cannot deny that slavery is morally acceptable by scripture. So now you question if slavery is in fact "immoral", instead of recognizing that scripture is "side-stepping" moral law???

    Remember, you will be judged by divine law? You think you can get over that???...

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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, I don't. You do.
    Which is it, Quran, Bible, Torah, Book of Mormons. All of them???
    You tell us. You claim the knowledge is "contained in scripture", instead of "common secular sense".

    Which is it? You don't really know, do you? Or are you afraid of receiving divine demerits?

    C'mon jan, fess up!!!
     
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  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Thirty-five years' worth.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." The Bible could not be clearer than that.

    Fortunately most people don't obey that particular divine law.
    Ah, so divine law always applies, except when it doesn't.

    In that case no worries. It doesn't apply whenever people don't want it to.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Perfect. Jan acknowledges that laws are mutable.

    Back on topic?
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So no law with a human source - such as your typing, or the Bible - is "divine". Makes sense.
     
  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Who said anything about it not being clear?

    It wasn't meant for most people. It was meant for Moses to relay it to the Israelites.
    Moses, or the Israelites, were not most people.

    They were given to Moses to pass on to the Israelites. Were they not?
    Is that not clear to you?

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  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The wages of sin is death. If you sin you die.
    It is because the laws are immutable that they also apply to the Israelites.
    For some reason the Israelites thought they were like any ordinary human being.
    In fact, according to the bible, they were God's chosen people. They were a holy people, who knew better than to act the way they did.

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  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    ''Sin'' is not a concept?

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  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Did you read the question?

    I'll ask the question to you...

    Why do you think slavery is immoral?

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  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed. This is all according to the Bible.
    And with that proviso, any individual can take it as self-imposed law. But it only applies to those who choose it.

    Sin is still a concept just as well understood by those do not take the Bible literally as those who do, so the OP question is debatable.

    So the answer to the OP's question is: "Sure. If you choose to follow the Bible."
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Sin isn't contingent on whether it is accepted, or not.
    The bible, or any scripture explains what is already in man's conscience.

    Makes not a hoot of a difference.
    Sin is a transgression of divine laws, irrespective of belief.

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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And if the Bible were more than a collection of parables, you'd have a point.

    Other people from millennia ago telling us what to do is not an obligation for us to abide by it.


    Sure, that is how it is defined. We all get that.
    Ectoplasm also has a definition we all accept. That does not make ectoplasm a real thing.

    You are still assuming your conclusion in your premise. It is not granted that God spake the Ten Commandments, or that they are anything more than man's words to other men.
    Argue in good faith.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Sir sir I have a question sir

    Is it a sin to go to the Moon?

    Do you go through heaven, and see angels, to get there, or is heaven a bit further out sir?

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  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You. You were confused and asking questions about it.
    OK. So divine law isn't meant for most people. Fair enough. You have reached a good, commonsense conclusion.
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Oooohh not fair not fair not fair

    Us atheist miss out again

    When are we going to get some divine law?

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  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It's about responsibility.
    Within most family structures, there are rules, and conditions to live by, in order to maintain consistencies.
    What is expected from a teenage member, will be different to what is expected from the toddler sibling.
    The rules apply always, but is espoused differently according to the conscious level of the family member,
    The Israelites had more responsibility than other folk, simply because they were personally favoured by God.
    With great power comes great responsibility.

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  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How does this address my point?

    What part of ''conscience'' is it you don't understand?

    If your conclusion of whether or not there is divine law, leads you to this kind of reasoning, then you are best left with it.

    jan
     

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