Proof of the existence of God

[Jan Ardena]

You'll be waiting for a really long time.

Jan has turned deflecting and ignoring inconvenient questions into an art form.

They're not intelligent questions. They're divisive ones.

jan.

 

[Write4U]

I presume that the proof would be based on either evidence or argument, not on experience. I would question such proof.

I presumed nothing. The question was straight forward without qualifiers, other than proof that God is mathematical

I did watch the video, but it didn't explain the origin of anything.

Yes it did, it explains that the origin of everything is a mathematical function.

Nothing you have said so far accounts for origins.
For example you claim that consciousness simply emerged, which explains nothing. jan.

Perhaps not to you, because you don't seem to believe in evolution from simplicity to complexity and it attendant greater potentials. And because you assume that complex consciousness always existed in an origin you call God. But it is you who does not offer by what function God (Origin) became expressed in our reality.

Moreover you add that God was not only conscious but also possessed motivated (for His pleasure) sentience.
What is it in humans that should give God pleasure?

Moreover, you add that we can be in direct contact with this consciousness and find inner peace.
Perhaps sitting on a beach at sunset, communing with nature? I wonder how much communion and inner peace you would find in a super nova, where your mathematical stuff was born, billions of years ago.

Do you claim your proposition explains anything other than wishful thinking?

As to being divisive, it seems to me that Science is already in much greater general agreement than religions.

Comes to mind; "E = Mc^2 ? ....... E = Mc^2?? ....... Off with his head!!!
That was not too long ago here and is still practised elsewhere in the world.

 

[Daecon]

I presume that the proof would be based on either evidence or argument, not on experience. I would question such proof.

Now presume that the proof was based on experience, and irrefutable even for you.

Why would you lose your reason for living?

 

[Jan Ardena]

I presumed nothing. The question was straight forward without qualifiers, other than proof that God is mathematical

I'm presuming.
I take pretending rather seriously.

Yes it did, it explains that the origin of everything is a mathematical function.

You'll have to be more specific, as I didn't get that part of it (if it's true). The longshot was that the laws of the universe can be explained by mathematics, that it permeates through, and is inherent within. the universe . Not that it is the cause and origin of it. It is more in line with an intelligent agent who uses mathematics as a language, or expression.

Perhaps not to you, because you don't seem to believe in evolution from simplicity to complexity and it attendant greater potentials. And because you assume that complex consciousness always existed in an origin you call God. But it is you who does not offer by what function God (Origin) became expressed in our reality.

That wouldn't of prevented me from from gleaning the claim that the origin of everything is math.
God could function in our reality through sound, through mathematics, through science, philosophy, art, religion, and so on. All of which requires consciousness, both to transmit and receive.

Moreover you add that God was not only conscious but also possessed motivated (for His pleasure) sentience.
What is it in humans that should give God pleasure?

What is it in children that gives their parents pleasure? Answer that and you begin to get an idea.

Moreover, you add that we can be in direct contact with this consciousness and find inner peace.
Perhaps sitting on a beach at sunset, communing with nature? I wonder how much communion and inner peace you would find in a super nova, where your mathematical stuff was born, billions of years ago.

I don't understand the question.
As we are conscious beings, it stands to reason that we can communicate via consciousness.

Do you claim your proposition explains anything other than wishful thinking?

No. It has nothing to do with wishful thinking.

As to being divisive, it seems to me that Science is already in much greater general agreement than religions.

Makes no difference to the truth.

jan.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Now presume that the proof was based on experience, and irrefutable even for you.

I can't presume it is based on experience, lest I be lying to myself.

Why would you lose your reason for living?

Because I would pretend to lose my reason for living. I would put on a sad face and fold my arms, and bury my chin in my chest.

jan.

 

[Oystein]

You'll have to be more specific, as I didn't get that part of it (if it's true). The longshot was that the laws of the universe can be explained by mathematics, that it permeates through, and is inherent within. the universe . Not that it is the cause and origin of it. It is more in line with an intelligent agent who uses mathematics as a language, or expression.
That wouldn't of prevented me from from gleaning the claim that the origin of everything is math.
God could function in our reality through sound, through mathematics, through science, philosophy, art, religion, and so on. All of which requires consciousness, both to transmit and receive.

Pain is the antithesis of truth. Only a wanderer of the dreamscape may engender this vision of understanding. You must take a stand against illusion. Yes, it is possible to extinguish the things that can eradicate us, but not without coherence on our side. Without freedom, one cannot dream. We can no longer afford to live with ego.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Pain is the antithesis of trut

Truth just is.

Only a wanderer of the dreamscape may engender this vision of understanding.

What are you on about?

You must take a stand against illusion.

I'm not the one who tries to validate an serious argument with silly imaginary ideas, or pretence .

I'm not going to bother answer the rest of your post.

Jan.