Proof of the existence of God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jason.Marshall, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    They're not intelligent questions. They're divisive ones.

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I presumed nothing. The question was straight forward without qualifiers, other than proof that God is mathematical
    Yes it did, it explains that the origin of everything is a mathematical function.
    Perhaps not to you, because you don't seem to believe in evolution from simplicity to complexity and it attendant greater potentials. And because you assume that complex consciousness always existed in an origin you call God. But it is you who does not offer by what function God (Origin) became expressed in our reality.

    Moreover you add that God was not only conscious but also possessed motivated (for His pleasure) sentience.
    What is it in humans that should give God pleasure?

    Moreover, you add that we can be in direct contact with this consciousness and find inner peace.
    Perhaps sitting on a beach at sunset, communing with nature? I wonder how much communion and inner peace you would find in a super nova, where your mathematical stuff was born, billions of years ago.

    Do you claim your proposition explains anything other than wishful thinking?

    As to being divisive, it seems to me that Science is already in much greater general agreement than religions.

    Comes to mind; "E = Mc^2 ? ....... E = Mc^2?? ....... Off with his head!!!
    That was not too long ago here and is still practised elsewhere in the world.
     
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  5. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Now presume that the proof was based on experience, and irrefutable even for you.

    Why would you lose your reason for living?
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I'm presuming.
    I take pretending rather seriously.

    You'll have to be more specific, as I didn't get that part of it (if it's true). The longshot was that the laws of the universe can be explained by mathematics, that it permeates through, and is inherent within. the universe . Not that it is the cause and origin of it. It is more in line with an intelligent agent who uses mathematics as a language, or expression.

    That wouldn't of prevented me from from gleaning the claim that the origin of everything is math.
    God could function in our reality through sound, through mathematics, through science, philosophy, art, religion, and so on. All of which requires consciousness, both to transmit and receive.

    What is it in children that gives their parents pleasure? Answer that and you begin to get an idea.

    I don't understand the question.
    As we are conscious beings, it stands to reason that we can communicate via consciousness.

    No. It has nothing to do with wishful thinking.

    Makes no difference to the truth.

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  8. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I can't presume it is based on experience, lest I be lying to myself.

    Because I would pretend to lose my reason for living. I would put on a sad face and fold my arms, and bury my chin in my chest.

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  9. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    Pain is the antithesis of truth. Only a wanderer of the dreamscape may engender this vision of understanding. You must take a stand against illusion. Yes, it is possible to extinguish the things that can eradicate us, but not without coherence on our side. Without freedom, one cannot dream. We can no longer afford to live with ego.
     
  10. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Truth just is.
    What are you on about?

    I'm not the one who tries to validate an serious argument with silly imaginary ideas, or pretence .

    I'm not going to bother answer the rest of your post.

    Jan.
     

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