Proof of the existence of God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jason.Marshall, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. BrianHarwarespecialist We shall Ionize!i Registered Senior Member

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    Well said now this is the power of freewill.
     
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  3. BrianHarwarespecialist We shall Ionize!i Registered Senior Member

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    We crave expansion it's in our very design to touch the limitations of our existence.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    1. Note the word "latent"
    2. Given mass and energy as already "expressed" (no longer latent).

    In any case, both work by the mathematical function.

    A fractal does not need intelligence, only iteration (self-similar duplication)
    Yes, and this metaphysical spirit (potential) always moves in the direction of greater satisfaction (energy efficiency) or "conservation of energy".
    And therein lies the problem. The Internet is not sentient but understands the mathematical language of the url CODE (the mathematical address of the website)

    Watch this:

    Hubris.
     
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  7. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Do you not understand what the word "fictional" means?

    Try a thought experiment: Pretend, just for a moment, that God isn't actually real. Can you do that?
     
  8. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Okay. What next.

    jan.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Does that take away your reason for living?
     
  10. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    If I pretended it did, it would.

    jan.
     
  11. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    And why is that?
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, then let me pose a slightly different question; If it were proven that God is a purely mathematical potentiality, and humans are just evolved complex numbers (mathematical expressions), would you lose your reason for living?
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I've no idea.

    jan.
     
  14. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    In the same way that if I ran down the road flapping my arms, pretending to fly. I would be flying.

    jan.
     
  15. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I would question the proof.

    jan.
     
  16. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Um, what?

    Why would pretending that God doesn't exist take away your reason for living?
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    a) That was not the question.
    b) On what grounds would you question the proof??
     
  18. BrianHarwarespecialist We shall Ionize!i Registered Senior Member

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    Ok if I created a virtual universe that you live in it certainly could be defined this way by mathematics or code but code is still art designed by a creator.

    Because you defined an incomplete code of the creation as you always will from your side 'spacetime' you can never define a complete form 'objective conclusion' .
     
  19. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    What wasn't the question?

    On the grounds that I don't see complex numbers walking around, talking, playing sport etc.

    jan.
     
  20. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    That wouldn't be the reason. The reason would be based on my pretence. Just like I would be flying, if I pretended to be.

    jan.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It was clear enough and I am still waiting for an answer. "I don't know" is not answering the question.
    The same as you don't see complex numbers creating a rainbow or a Fata Morgana?
    Instead you see a physical expression of God walking around, or in the rainbow?

    Do you wear corrective lenses? Optometrists mathematically correct your eyesight!

    You did not watch the link I provided, did you? Too bad, it might have helped in "overcoming resistance".
     
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  22. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You'll be waiting for a really long time.

    Jan has turned deflecting and ignoring inconvenient questions into an art form.
     
  23. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I presume that the proof would be based on either evidence or argument, not on experience. I would question such proof.

    I did watch the video, but it didn't explain the origin of anything.
    Nothing you have said so far accounts for origins. For example you claim that consciousness simply emerged, which explains nothing.

    jan.
     

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