Do you mind if I call you by your real name or would that be harmful? It was news to me but around here, apparently, it is thought to be harmful to call somebody by their real name, as given by their parents. With sufficent effort and ingenuity it is possible to discover all sorts of harm in just about anything that comes, sex, friendship, criticism, truth, talk, gifts, control, you name it, there is a harm to be complained of, and harms yet to be declared, here a harm, there a harm, everywhere a harm, harm. I could go on, with dozens of similar quotes to amuse except of course for the harm of it. Provoked by the whining about the whining, I'd just like to be clear as to where the whining came from. My sin was to call the tantrum of a spoiled child for what it is. --- Ron.