Man literally vanishes into thin air

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Musika said:
So how do you regard third party anecdotes of occurrences that are not full-fledged phenomenas ?
With doubt?

And as far as third party anecdotes of phenomenas go, what do they require to be fully fledged?


To get back to this :

If we want to start accrediting behaviours to people or objects that they do not usually possess (especially on the hearsay of third parties), at what point do you draw the line?

If you are not willing to accept everything anyone says about anything, surely there must be some criteria.

If you don't establish that criteria, you can just keep reintroducing infinite regress ("But how do you know that?") until you get admitted to a psychiatric ward or otherwise enter some other social context where people ignore anything of value you might have to say.
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Sounds like you just want pseudointellectualize about crap. I'll let you carry on with someone else about that.
 
faceurchin said:
Sort of related and a (kinda) recent news story, people are baffled at how this man was found in a hospital ceiling that some people are calling a case of 'spontaneous teleportation' - https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-10-24-mystery-of-body-in-ceiling/

YouTube video about the case -

The nurse was only away for a minute, and when he came back, he was gone. They then did an immediate search at the hospital but could not find him. He was found 13 days later in the hospital's ceiling (that had to be cut into).
This man was 61 years old and was unable to walk. So far this mystery has yet to be solved.

Where he was found was far away from the room he was last seen in.

Thoughts?
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So why do you grant credence to "people who are citing this as a case of teleportation" over and above other people (in this case his direct relatives) citing foul play?

https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/new...ve-family-closure-on-body-in-ceiling-11766160
 
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Magical Realist said:
Sounds like you just want pseudointellectualize about crap. I'll let you carry on with someone else about that.
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Well actually, until you establish this criteria, it will sound like you just want pseudointellectualize about crap ... and others will simply take pleasure at leveling disparaging criticisim until they get tired of your nonsense and ignore you (or the online forum equivelant, ban you)
 
Musika said:
Well actually, until you establish this criteria, it will sound like you just want pseudointellectualize about crap ... and others will simply take pleasure at leveling disparaging criticisim until they get tired of your nonsense and ignore you (or the online forum equivelant, ban you)
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Said post count 160 to post count 11,164. :rolleyes:
 
Musika said:
...until they get tired of your nonsense and ignore you (or the online forum equivelant, ban you)
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You are wise beyond your post count*. :wink:

Your invisible friend there is on Ignore from a very large fraction of SciFo regulars.


* An apropos testament to the fact that high post quantity does not reflect high post quality.
 
Magical Realist said:
Said post count 160 to post count 11,164. :rolleyes:
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Googling this website with your username and the word "ban" suggests an alternative version. Anyway, its free advice. Trying to establish a reassessment of reality while being intellectually adverse to philosophy has predictable results.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
You are wise beyond your post count*. :wink:

Your invisible friend there is on Ignore from a very large fraction of SciFo regulars.


* An apropos testament to the fact that high post quantity does not reflect high post quality.
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Not having the balls to read someone's posts isn't exactly something to brag about.
 
faceurchin said:
This man was 61 years old and was unable to walk. So far this mystery has yet to be solved.

Where he was found was far away from the room he was last seen in.

Thoughts?
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He became demented and climbed into the ceiling.

Years ago my wife was working at a hospital with a demented patient. He had all kinds of GI problems, and he couldn't eat. When they x-rayed him they saw a zipper. He had eaten his pants. (They were supposed to be taken away from him when admitted, but the nurse 'took pity' on him and let him keep them.) Everyone thought that was impossible, too.
 
Magical Realist said:
"One morning in August of 1980, at the age of 24, Dan was making a large batch of blueberry muffins in his kitchen. He had just finished mixing the wet ingredients with a cup of honey. Honey being honey, he got some on the lip of the jar and so washed the jar off in the sink and sat it down to drip dry. He then turned to the business of the dry ingredients. Walking over to the pantry, he reached for one of those old-fashioned metal flour tins. As he pulled the tin off the shelf, it suddenly got heavier. His unprepared hands could not hold on to the new weight, and the tin dropped to the floor. Here is what happened next, in Dan's own words, which he was kind enough to share with me at my request:

"Upon meeting the carpeted ground, the tin lost its lid and much of its powdery contents. Rather upset at myself, I kneeled to clean up the mess. Then came the electric discovery whose current still flows thru me. Enough of the flour had run out to reveal that something was buried at the bottom of the tin. Naturally curious, I dug thru the flour with my fingers and then pulled out, of all things, a glass honey jar exactly like the one I had held in my hands and washed a moment ago, a jar completely caked with flour---as if it had been placed in the tin still wet. Puzzled, I turned my head to assure myself that the bottle I had just rinsed was standing where I left it. It was not."

Dan stared for two minutes, examining the situation and its impossibility. "The fact was obvious. The wet honey jar had been moved from the sink and deposited on the bottom of the flour tin. The explanation, however, was not at all obvious...

..Not that Dan had an explanation. He did not, and he still does not. When Dan told this same story to a group of us at a private academic gathering, he added his own immediate conclusion at the time of the original event. "I knew at that instant," he explained to us, "that materialism is false."

From "The Super Natural: A New Vision Of The Unexplained" by Whitley Strieber and Jeffery Kripal, pgs. 199-201. Published 2016, Penguin Random House.
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Streiber's the guy who invented the grey aliens.
 
faceurchin said:
Because that is not what was reported. He literally vanished into thin air in plain sight, in the middle of a field. They didn't say he walked off or went behind anything. He just popped out of existence without a sound, flash of light or an explosion.
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Reported doesn't equal true.
 
faceurchin said:
Sort of related and a (kinda) recent news story, people are baffled at how this man was found in a hospital ceiling that some people are calling a case of 'spontaneous teleportation' - https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-10-24-mystery-of-body-in-ceiling/

YouTube video about the case -

The nurse was only away for a minute, and when he came back, he was gone. They then did an immediate search at the hospital but could not find him. He was found 13 days later in the hospital's ceiling (that had to be cut into).
This man was 61 years old and was unable to walk. So far this mystery has yet to be solved.

Where he was found was far away from the room he was last seen in.

Thoughts?
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Without knowing anything about this, I can think of several plausible explanations.
1. He actually could walk and climbed up there due to mental illness.
2. Someone put him up there.
3. Never actually happened.

In no way is teleportation a valid explanation until you have eliminated all other possibilities. Then you would have to show that teleportation is possible and accessible to ordinary people.
 
billvon said:
That's great. But if you believe with all your heart and all your soul that you will grow your leg back, and are firm in your belief that God will make that happen - it still won't.

Belief is great, and it can help people stay sane and grounded (and that's no small thing.) As long as you realize it's not reality.
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A belief is no less valid than any doubt or skepticism.
 
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