Man literally vanishes into thin air

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by faceurchin, Mar 10, 2018.

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Do you think this case is real?

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "One morning in August of 1980, at the age of 24, Dan was making a large batch of blueberry muffins in his kitchen. He had just finished mixing the wet ingredients with a cup of honey. Honey being honey, he got some on the lip of the jar and so washed the jar off in the sink and sat it down to drip dry. He then turned to the business of the dry ingredients. Walking over to the pantry, he reached for one of those old-fashioned metal flour tins. As he pulled the tin off the shelf, it suddenly got heavier. His unprepared hands could not hold on to the new weight, and the tin dropped to the floor. Here is what happened next, in Dan's own words, which he was kind enough to share with me at my request:

    "Upon meeting the carpeted ground, the tin lost its lid and much of its powdery contents. Rather upset at myself, I kneeled to clean up the mess. Then came the electric discovery whose current still flows thru me. Enough of the flour had run out to reveal that something was buried at the bottom of the tin. Naturally curious, I dug thru the flour with my fingers and then pulled out, of all things, a glass honey jar exactly like the one I had held in my hands and washed a moment ago, a jar completely caked with flour---as if it had been placed in the tin still wet. Puzzled, I turned my head to assure myself that the bottle I had just rinsed was standing where I left it. It was not."

    Dan stared for two minutes, examining the situation and its impossibility. "The fact was obvious. The wet honey jar had been moved from the sink and deposited on the bottom of the flour tin. The explanation, however, was not at all obvious...

    ..Not that Dan had an explanation. He did not, and he still does not. When Dan told this same story to a group of us at a private academic gathering, he added his own immediate conclusion at the time of the original event. "I knew at that instant," he explained to us, "that materialism is false."

    From "The Super Natural: A New Vision Of The Unexplained" by Whitley Strieber and Jeffery Kripal, pgs. 199-201. Published 2016, Penguin Random House.
     
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  3. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    That's just say so, what's wanted to ''prove'' these ''glitches'' are more unquestionable photos( #62) like which the duck and I actually witnessed.
     
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  5. faceurchin Registered Member

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    If he just walked off it wouldn't be too much of a mystery. I don't know why it's so hard to understand what ''literally vanished into thin air'' means.
     
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  7. faceurchin Registered Member

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    And what is there to say people don't? Just because there isn't yet clear video of it happening doesn't mean it doesn't or cannot happen.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Trust science when it says something can happen.
    Distrust science when it says something can't happen.
     
  9. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Which then begs the question : on what basis do you say things can or cannot happen?

    And furthermore, to what extent are you willing to lend credence to third party claims. If I say my lounge chair vanished, why am I any more credible than saying it also sent me a secret message, saying its in your best interest to give me $500?
     
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  10. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Duplicate
     
  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    If we want to start accrediting behaviours to people or objects that they do not usually possess (especially on the hearsay of third parties), at what point do you draw the line? (See above example of disappearing lounge chair compared to disappearing lounge chair that also provides secret financial advice).
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Unless there is some reason for them to lie, we generally go by what people report from their first person experience. We do it with history and science and the news. It's how we find out what can and does happen.
     
  13. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So the only reason you would doubt anecdotes of a disappearing lounge chair that gives secret financial advice over that of a run-of-the-mill disappearing lounge chair, is that I would be perceived to benefit should you take the former seriously?
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right..the reason for you lying. And if enough people began reporting disappearing lounge chairs, it would be a phenomenon worth investigating.
     
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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed. So why pursue something that is quite likely not very mysterious at all?
     
  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So you also disregard the later, because the reported incidences of disappearing lounge chairs is not substantial?
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..I don't disregard it. I just regard it as too rare and anomalous to be a full-fledged phenomenon. Why do you ask?
     
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  18. faceurchin Registered Member

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    Because that is not what was reported. He literally vanished into thin air in plain sight, in the middle of a field. They didn't say he walked off or went behind anything. He just popped out of existence without a sound, flash of light or an explosion.
     
  19. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So how do you regard third party anecdotes of occurrences that are not full-fledged phenomenas ?
    With doubt?

    And as far as third party anecdotes of phenomenas go, what do they require to be fully fledged?

    To get back to this :

    If we want to start accrediting behaviours to people or objects that they do not usually possess (especially on the hearsay of third parties), at what point do you draw the line?

    If you are not willing to accept everything anyone says about anything, surely there must be some criteria.

    If you don't establish that criteria, you can just keep reintroducing infinite regress ("But how do you know that?") until you get admitted to a psychiatric ward or otherwise enter some other social context where people ignore anything of value you might have to say.
     
  20. faceurchin Registered Member

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    Sort of related and a (kinda) recent news story, people are baffled at how this man was found in a hospital ceiling that some people are calling a case of 'spontaneous teleportation' - https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-10-24-mystery-of-body-in-ceiling/

    YouTube video about the case -

    The nurse was only away for a minute, and when he came back, he was gone. They then did an immediate search at the hospital but could not find him. He was found 13 days later in the hospital's ceiling (that had to be cut into).
    This man was 61 years old and was unable to walk. So far this mystery has yet to be solved.

    Where he was found was far away from the room he was last seen in.

    Thoughts?
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Interestingly, being deleted as if in a 3D app was also not what was reported, but that didn't stop you from spicing up the story.

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  22. faceurchin Registered Member

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    No, I was using that analogy since some people can't seem to understand what 'literally' means.
     
  23. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, according to the report published 30 years after the event, they were momentarily distracted by doing their daily tasks, and when they looked at him, he was not there. Technically there may have been a flash of light .... or any one of numerous variables one could reasonably attribute to a thirty year lapse as recounted by a 120 year old news article published in an era where journalistic accountability is non-existent by an author more famous for his works of fiction than fact.
     

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