Live Baby thrown in Garbage at Abortion Clinic

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by madanthonywayne, Feb 6, 2009.

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  1. donna2010 Registered Member

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    yes the baby uses the mother "woman" to grow thats how the baby is made. But woman know that having sex can lead up to having a baby. I mean anyone can be smart enough to know that. And if you are not ready or not wanting a child. Then do not have sex or fix the prob. Like you get fixed or stay on the pill or put that thing in that stops you from having a child for like 5 years or more. Or If you are only sleeping with one man and in a relateship and he do not want kids get him fixed. I am just saying how fair is it to that child to be to take a life.. You are saying It is not a baby well the egg is always the baby but not formed yet. It grows and grows by the time you can have an abortion. Its already a baby. In my eyes its a baby as soon as the hpt says your pregnant. Like I have said My husband and I didnt attend to have a baby He never wanted kids I didn't want them right now... But our thouht was how can we make a life for him/her what can do. It was never lets go and abort the baby. Never cross our minds. But thats what kind of people we are. I am now 23 weeks he is kicking moving he can even cry now suck his thumb. He has fingernales hair all over his body eyes are starting to open. And I am 6 months and a day. So your telling me he is not a baby. He has ears that can hear our voices. And when I play music that he likes he moves so much. He is a baby. He has a little nose a spine feet ten toes. No matter how long this debate goes for I wont agree with you any of those who say he is not a baby. And you wont agree with me. So what is the debate really about. Well this woman went to go and abort a baby she was far enough along to where it was a baby. It was not right for them to watch this baby take a breath his/her #1 and only breath. And stuff it in a bag and throw it away like it was trash and the mother wants to sue. She knows how the abortion goes. She just wanted to go in get rid of the baby and not think of it again. I have told this story to my father in law friends my husband. They all say the same thing how can someone do that. Or do not tell me that It just pisses me off to hear something like that. It was not okay to abort that baby nothing was wrong with her or that baby she just didnt want it. And you all know it is painfull right to the baby how they do abortions. How they rip there tiny arms and legs apart. Never the less I know morals that I have and with that I know it is wrong what that woman did. She does not have the right to sue she knew what in the hell she was getting into.
     
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  3. donna2010 Registered Member

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    And as far as you goes yes baby and little one and yes it is a baby I am 6 months and my baby is a baby.The baby is probably now just over a pound and a little over 11 inches long. The body is proportioned like a newborn, minus the body fat. The bones of the middle ear are hardening. Male voices are more easily heard by baby than female. If born now, the baby has a 15% chance of survival. Lanugo, the fine body hair, has darkened. The organs are still visible through the skin. The very moment of fertilization, the egg has chemical changes which prevent other sperm from entering. Then over the next several days the first formations begin, cell by cell. At 6-8 weeks after last period, the baby has primitive organs and all of the basic foundational structures that will become facial features, toes, feet, head, arms, etc.





    So yor are saying b4 6 months it is not a baby well read this and say that again. You said anything b4 7 months is not a baby read this again
     
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  5. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You should kill it, donna, especially if it's going to grow up into someone like you that can't even write English properly. There are too many children born that will not receive the education and attention they deserve because they were not planned. First you say there is no excuse to have an unplanned baby, then you explain that indeed that is exactly what happened to you. You are a hypocrite.
     
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  7. donna2010 Registered Member

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    ya no I am not I am not killing this child. AND one my husband has a high IQ of 137 and my father in law has a IQ of 139.. So they will get the education the need. I may not be soo smart but how is that part of the debate of killing unborn children. For one how can I be a hypocrite when I said if you get pregant keep the baby or give it up not kill it. I am keeping mine like a woman should. If you Have sex and get pregnant You should be woman enough to raise that child or at the very least give that baby a chance to live and give it to a family that can't have children. SO lets focus on the issues at hand.. The issue at hand is not my spelling or how well I can write its ABORTION. And you should go to hell for telling me to kill a child you must be the DEVIL IN THE FLESH.
     
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  8. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    Irrelevant. It doesn't mean she has to have that baby.

    Contraception isn't 100% effective.

    And not having sex just in case you get pregnant is like not driving a car in case you crash.

    I'd like to get surgically sterilized (which by the way is not failsafe), but I'm 20 years old.

    Most abortions are not D and Es. (aka partial birth abortion.) Those account for only a tiny minority of abortions.
     
  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    There's nothing special about reproducing. I think abortion should be limited by law to only a week after birth, after that I think it's immoral.
    I get it, you are another religious nutter. God had no problem killing babies, he ordered His followers to do it in the bible, dashed the little ones against the rocks they did, in His name.
     
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  10. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: "When it comes to dealing with all the problems your grown children cause you, you finally understand why abortion is a good thing." ~ M*W
     
  11. donna2010 Registered Member

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    To all okay this debate is over really YOU AGREE ON ABORTIONS I DO NOT DEAL WITH IT.
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Okay.

    No, really, why do you need to tell us this? You want to keep your child, good for you.

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    Ermm think of culling the herd. 'Ridding humanity of the undesirables'. Look up eugenics. Watch Gattaca .. Or worse..

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    Oh the humanity..

    This needs to be explained to you? You don't see the contradiction and the hypocrisy of this statement?

    If Spider had a uterus, I am sure he may or may not agree with you.

    Look, you are pro-life. Great for you. I cheer the very thought. But it is not for you or for others to judge or deny women the right to decide for themselves.


    The issue at hand is not whether you give birth or not. The issue at hand is whether you, as an adult woman, should have the right to determine for yourself whether you do or do not have your child.


    Now now. Lets not make us all /facepalm.
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    The problems of choosing emotion over fact

    Actually, that's not true. If you look around this site, you'll find many discussions of abortion. A sampling from EM&J in recent years:


    You will find through those discussions a diversity of opinions. We need not revive the long-dormant threads, though; reading through that you will find recurring issues, as many don't really cares what the record actually says, and would pretend to be presenting the issue as if it has never been considered before. In other words, there are plenty of opinions, and nearly as many opportunities to voice them—now, then, and in the future.

    However, you're more likely to find larger agreement that statements such as—

    —only make people laugh, and reinforce the ill-mannered stupidity to which you responded.

    Really, if there is one voice in this world that contributes nothing of value to the abortion debate, it is that of an angry and delusional religious fanatic.
     
  14. donna2010 Registered Member

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    If she didn't want that baby she shouldn't be having sex or doing something to not have kids. I can understand not every mother can do something about it. But why not give up that baby it do not cost a cent to give up a baby just sign pappers that states that you give up your rights. I just do not get abortion when there is somthing else out there. Granted She didn't want kids she did not want that baby. So why didn't she just give the baby up instead of aborting it.
     
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  15. donna2010 Registered Member

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    see I also can understand that myself. I would never do it but but a week is not a baby yet.But you can't have a abortion till you are 3 1/2 weeks to 4 weeks prego. By that time the baby is forming and becoming a baby. In my eyes when the hpt states that you are in fact prego you are having a baby. But thats the way I look At it. We all see things diff. Thats just the way I see it. In my heart I see that its not okay to some its no big deal. To each her own I guess.
     
  16. donna2010 Registered Member

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    Again you can give up the baby. You don't have to abort the baby thats not the only way out of not keeping it.
     
  17. donna2010 Registered Member

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    okay someone said I should kill my baby thats why I said it. No other reason.
     
  18. donna2010 Registered Member

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    Judge no I think its not okay thats all thats it nothing more or less. This debate is not about if we agree on it anyway. It is about this woman wanting to sue cause she wanted a abortion but she gave brith instead and the dr. KIlled the baby and threw it away. Do you know how they even do abortions. You should google it and look at pictures cause its not a pretty site. No one wants to see and or hear how it is done but do it. All I am really saying is that you can give up the baby why choose the killing one. when you can give up the baby to a family that can love him/her.
     
  19. donna2010 Registered Member

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    whats not true.. All I was saying is what I think is moral right. Nothing more or less on the subject. You guys are all gaining up on me saying its right you have no right saying that. Kind of thing. My grandmother would teach me growing up if you get prego. You take of that baby. Cause if you are woman enough to lay on your back and get prego you are woman enough to raise that child. Okay thats what I would do.But you can give up that baby also. WHY ABORTION. Why is that theo only way out. For me I can not see how one can do it. But that is me. I see some woman that give up there baby to a home that can raise him/her. That to me would be hard to do also but I would rather give up my child to a family that would love him/her then to get an abortion. SO ABORTION WHY JUST THAT WAY OUT.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Stating the obvious

    And if money and a signature was all there was to it, I'm sure many more people would agree with you. Meanwhile, you might want to ask some women about what pregnancies do to their bodies.
     
  21. donna2010 Registered Member

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    Okay so you tihnk somone tellng me to kill my child is okay. How is that okay to a reply to what I have stated b4 hand. People like you make a this world a bad place. OKay so you do not agree that abortion should not happen. Fine but why attack somone on what they think and you are not only doing that. When somone runs out of facts or whatever they attack On how smart I am.. There is one in ever group in this case there is alot. Why not stick to the debate. Instead of lowering yourself to be a lowlife of a person. I am just stateing that I do not agree with abortions. Thats it Maybe that is why I am a nice person that do not agree on abortion I have heart. I can not stand killing of anything... Okay now I am attacked for being christian. So what even If I was not one I would think It was not okay. But thats just me now if anyone else has anything diff to say. With an answer about this debate then please reply. But if it is to attack me for how smart I am or for being a christian then do not. Cause I have done that to you people. I just was saying that this woman should not have the right to sue. She knew what she was getting into. if she did not want that baby dead she shouldn't have gone into a abortion office.
     
  22. donna2010 Registered Member

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    I know what it does to your body. Well you gain weight you feel sick.. Now something where to happen to the mother like death or something I can kinda see that I still wouldnt I would give my life for my child. But I can see that and understand that. But if you are saying the body changes or feeling sick like nomal prego woman. I do not agree with that. But if that child was causeing the mother to die like some cases or the baby was going to die I can see that. I still wouldn't. But I can see that
     
  23. donna2010 Registered Member

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    It does not cost money to give up your baby. You sign pappers It cost money to get a baby not give up one.
     
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