LHC Safety and the Law

[udarnik]

ありがとう ごずぃます.

I can't post links yet as I don't have 20 posts, sorry, but what I can find that Werbos has said in public is here:

zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2847

Relevant quote:

One idea is that the mysterious evidence of an unexpected degree of expansion in the universe can be explained by the presence of that quantum zero point energy as a source of gravitation. If zero point energy is there, one WOULD expect it to be a source of gravitation, one way or another.

The problem is that the observed gravitational effect... is many, many orders of magnitude less than what the usual zero point energy theory assumes.

This being so... why should we be so confident that the decay of a small black hole would be so rapid as what Hawking has suggested? If the actual decay rate is something like 10**-50 as fast as he suggests...

This argument seems to be at the heart of the quoted section of that letter talking about risking things on our understanding of zero point energy.

Although, earlier in that post, he did hedge his bets against coming out against the collider:

I have not taken a stand on that issue, in part because I do not really know ... would the LHC really have some chance of doing things that have not been done already, exactly the same way, in the earth's atmosphere dozens or thousands of times already? But still... there may be experiments possible that WOULD do new things...

I've been wading through the stuff he posted on arXiv, including the one on Bell's Theorem, and I wonder if you have done the same, and if you have, then what is your opinion of him?

 

[rpenner]

ありがとう ごずぃます.

え？すごいです。ウダルニック博士が上手ですね。アルファヌメリックさんも日本語を勉強します。

I can't post links yet as I don't have 20 posts, sorry, but what I can find that Werbos has said in public is here:
zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2847

I think his thesis is actually that it is reasonable that certain experiments should be performed somewhere other than the surface of earth. But I see nothing to support that general sentiment or that specifically anything at LHC is in this proposed class. In short, I see nothing reasonable here in light of the long-term stability of the solar system and the background of 100+ EeV cosmic rays.

what is your opinion of him?

He posts on zpenergy.com. In short, I see nothing reasonable here. It is the opposite of a persuasive argument.

But in light of the topic of this thread, I don't believe WLW has relied on PJW in any direct legal manner. Perhaps, though, it was PJW who brought Adam Helfer's paper to the attention of James Blodgett, author of an affidavit. But Martin Rees is mentioned twice and from what I recall, PJW not at all.

 

[udarnik]

外国語が大好きです。 ロシア語も中國語もフランス語を話せますけどロシア語だ
け上手です。妻は台湾人ですから中國語を話せます。

It seems to me that Wagner is casting about desperately for anyone with legitimate Ph.D. credentials, especially in Physics, to join his legal filing team.

In 2000, he had in his cluster of affidavits a letter from BYU Prof. Emeritus H. Kimball Hansen, who, as near as I can tell, was in his 80s in 2000. That's as close to a real, practicing Physicist joining the team as the anti-LHC crowd has ever come. I suspect that the hiatus in this round of legal proceedings mentioned by you in this thread - the one where WLW went to Utah - was an attempt to re-enlist Prof. Hansen in this particular cause. At this point, however, Prof. Hansen has to be pushing 90.

WLW's brother, a software engineer at Northrop Grumman, files along with him in the capacity of a "risk expert", and he has a Ph.D. in Computer Science:

chess.captain.at/strangelets-matter.html

iris.usc.edu/home/iris/rwagner/

 

[Read-Only]

外国語が大好きです。 ロシア語も中國語もフランス語を話せますけどロシア語だ
け上手です。妻は台湾人ですから中國語を話せます。

It seems to me that Wagner is casting about desperately for anyone with legitimate Ph.D. credentials, especially in Physics, to join his legal filing team.

In 2000, he had in his cluster of affidavits a letter from BYU Prof. Emeritus H. Kimball Hansen, who, as near as I can tell, was in his 80s in 2000. That's as close to a real, practicing Physicist joining the team as the anti-LHC crowd has ever come. I suspect that the hiatus in this round of legal proceedings mentioned by you in this thread - the one where WLW went to Utah - was an attempt to re-enlist Prof. Hansen in this particular cause. At this point, however, Prof. Hansen has to be pushing 90.

WLW's brother, a software engineer at Northrop Grumman, files along with him in the capacity of a "risk expert", and he has a Ph.D. in Computer Science:

chess.captain.at/strangelets-matter.html

iris.usc.edu/home/iris/rwagner/

It appears that there isn't anyone in the anti-LHC camp with any real credentials in particle physics. Primarily just a has-been botanist and a freaky psychologist.

 

[udarnik]

I plan to go over some of the individuals involved in a blog post. Plaga is the only one with a Physics degree, and Wagner follower JTankers is always quick to point to that Doctor Habil. as a "senior Ph.D.", as if seniority meant anything in science beyond tenure. Rossler touts that "visiting professorship" as if it means anything, as well. But on this side of the Atlantic, no there's been no one since Hansen with a legitimate Physics degree to lend any credence.

 

[rpenner]

Well a happy "ni hao" to your wife, then. (After two years self-study, my "ni hao" is passable, "zhongwen" has been recognized as the word I intended exactly once.)

RW (although not his exact relationship with WLW) is known to me from his affidavit.

In the also-ran category, was a certain "ubavontuba" of http://physforum.com/ (site down). He seemed more like a "if I post last, I win" type of troll than someone knowledgeable in physics or risk assessment. A weird combination of "Nothing else matters" and "I can't be bothered to reply coherently."

I'm not going to be discussing the physics of the suit in this thread

I had assumed that WLW was headed to Utah to attend the semi-annual meeting of the Church of Latter Day Saints. At least that was the conjecture given to me by two people familiar with the church, but they thought it strange since the events are availble world-wide by streaming video. BYU, to which Prof. Hansen is associated with, is also in Provo, so that may be it.

It was a complete mystery to me why judges in Hawaiian criminal court and Federal district court felt willing to grant leave for this Utah expedition. Some details might exist in document 72, TRANSCRIPT of Proceedings Motion to Dismiss or Motion for Summary Judgment held on 9/2/2008, before Judge Helen Gillmor. Court Reporter Debra Chun. But I don't want to fly to Hawaii for the opportunity to view it for free.

 

[udarnik]

rpenner - 僕のブログをコメントして下さい 。eメールを書きたいんだから。

You need a Chinese girlfriend. Although my wife says I speak Chinese like a deaf person, other people have no problem understanding my gweilo Chinese.

OT - I have encountered ubavontuba before while lurking. At first I mis-ID'd him as WLW. I also had a similar troll from Lower Saxony show up on my first post. That troll, JTankers and WLW were all in communication with each other. uba seems to be from California, so the German seems to be new to all this.

 

[prometheus]

ubavontuba is great fun though. I really miss physorg at the moment. Does anyone know why it's down and if / when it will be back?

 

[rpenner]

No, and no. The "news" portion of the site is still working.

In Hawaiian Lawsuit news, we have an official appellate court case number.
[9th circuit appellate court] Docket No.: 08-17389

The parties shall meet the following time schedule:

• Thu., October 30, 2008 Appellant/petitioner shall notify appellee/respondent of transcripts to be ordered, pursuant to 9th Cir. R. 10-3.1(a);
• Mon., November 10, 2008 Appellee/respondent shall notify appellant/petitioner of any additional transcripts needed, pursuant to 9th Cir. R. 10-3.1(b);
• Wed., November 19, 2008 Appellant/petitioner shall file transcript order form with the district court and make payment arrangements with court reporter, pursuant to 9th Cir. R. 10-3.1;
• Wed., February 4, 2009 Appellant/petitioner’s opening brief and excerpts of record shall be served and filed pursuant to FRAP 32 and 9th Cir. R. 32-1;
• Fri., March 6, 2009 The brief of appellee/respondent shall be filed and served, pursuant to FRAP 32 and 9th Cir. R. 32-1

The optional appellant/petitioner reply brief shall be filed and served within fourteen days of service of the appellee/respondent’s brief, pursuant to FRAP 32 and 9th Cir. R. 32-1.

Failure of the appellant to comply with the Time Schedule Order will result in automatic dismissal of the appeal. 9th Cir. R. 42-1

Appellants/Petitioners without representation of counsel in a prisoner appeal may have their case submitted on the briefs and record without oral argument, pursuant to FRAP 34(a). Within 10 days of the filing of the appellant’s opening brief, parties may file a statement setting forth the reasons why, in the opinion of the parties, oral argument should be heard.

 

[rpenner]

Wagner has signalled his intention to continue the appeal by filing on Monday a transcript order form which indicates he does not wish any transcripts of the previous oral hearing to be prepared. It seems strange to me that the appellee/respondent doesn't have docket entries with regard to that, but que será será.

So, with regard to the "Hawaiian LHC Case" we will likely have no news until post-Obama Inauguration. Indeed, no Google News this month.

Wagner didn't have to return to Hawaii for the cancelled October 14th hearing on the subject of Default Judgement vs. CERN. So where is Wagner now? Is it possible that he stayed in Utah the whole time since September 18? Probably not, since he was interviewed for Big Island Video News on or about October 16th. But on the latest form he once again lists an address in Utah. Brrr, cold! It reminds me of the time when he filed the same case in multiple jurisdictions. Maybe, at some point we can discuss physics.

New Links:
http://www.eejlaw.com/lhc/ Eric E. Johnson, an Assistant Professor of Law wants more "judicial review" -- not really sure what he means -- does he really want the courts to have to approve every single new thing people do? Or is he just throwing up the idea intending for others to properly shoot it down like the majority of the comments seem to have.

 

[rpenner]

News: LHC to restart in (June) 2009
That less than 7 full months for Wagner to win his appeal, establish jurisdiction (not necessarily the same thing), establish standing, establish non-mootness, establish timeliness, establish damages, establish potential for meaningful relief and get a restraining order. (In addition, the question of whether he legally served CERN has yet to be decided.)

But it's actually worse than that, since the appellate court is unlikely to rule before March (unless it rules against Wagner). So less than 4 months remain in the district court -- indeed the appeal decision could drag out for months.

But on a factual basis, Wagner is in no better position to sue than he was in 1999. Since 1999 not one bit of evidence has made any of the disaster scenarios more likely. Why didn't Wagner sue in 1999 when his RHIC lawsuits were going and his legal education (some of it in the school of hard knocks) was that much newer?

 

[rpenner]

News results:

LHC Doom prediction is #7 on this list of worst predictions of 2008 -- very mocking -- little substance to post.

But copied in China: 大強子對撞機 (Or in Simplified: 大强子对撞机) is literally Large Hadron Collider. Remarkable agreement between syllables. http://www.takungpao.com/news/08/12/11/_IN-1003110.htm (An item on the topic of democracy was removed, shifting Wagner up in the rankings.)

大 -- Large
強子 -- Hadron (from 強 Strong and 子 Particle)
對撞機 -- Collider (from 對 Onto 撞 Strike strongly -> 對撞 Collide and 機 Machine )

Courtroom News: (Today!)

We get a new US Attorney on the case. Actually its a bit confusing since at one point he was listed as attorney for all parties, including Wagner. John E. Arbab has reasonable experience with the NEPA and the appeals court. Let's hope he can slam dunk this one.

 

[rpenner]

Another page addressing Wagner and the LHC lawsuit.

What a Victory Would Imply:

That one man with a lawyer is recognized as a better expert on a field than every expert on the planet in that field put together, with a billion dollar budget, working for over twenty years. Society itself would break down as every skilled worker in the world just gives up and either goes to law school or takes up professionally hurting themselves for money. Think Mad Max meets Jackass with lawsuits instead of gasoline.

 

[udarnik]

Walter has been active recently, and so has his minion, JTankers. He took offense at something Jim said, and in one small detail he happened to be right (I know, blind pigs, truffles, and all that). If you go back to the Stonekettle Station post about Walter, you'll find the whole mess.

But then, well, then he decided to threaten the lawyer in our little online group. Big mistake. For some real comedy Check out Standing On the Shoulders of Giant Midgets, and Eric's "Wagner is Still Under Indictment" and "Open Letter to Walter L. Wagner" posts.

As far as we know, Walter is back in Utah.

And I just published a thorough examination of Otto Rossler on Refugees From the City.

But the funniest piece is an email train that Jim and I were subjected to. I'll excerpt a part of it:

Yo conan obriarnt; found another douchebag fkface head hole to add to the zippy sux build. His name is Jim Wright with the UCF and he thinks he's somekind of mistard big bad billy bad ass G.I. Joe that likes to run around and intimidate innocent civilians like Jim Tankersly. Don't worry thx me latard. Btw, where's my tickets for teh february show, j1gg4?

Jim Wright: The best part of you went runnin down yo mommas legs, i suspect. You are the postar childe for coat hanger abortions, you fktard....If what Jim Tankersly writes is true: People like you, john, give the honest military vertarans out there a bad name. You still in the military? You're obviously a fking "squid". Who's your CO? I'm inclined to file a claim of lien against your assets for "services rendered" as I am now in fact doing your job, ergo: CLEANING UP YOUR WORLD DESTROYING POTENTIAL LHC FRAUDS.

>>"Otherwise, we're talking religion"<< refugeesfromthecity.blogspot.com/2008/10/delusional.html

Uh, no, fucktard john the psuedo-scientist...You're the one talking religion: You and your stupid fucking pro-LHC f4g squads are attempting to sell us "religion as science" just replace the words "god" and "bible" with "theories" and "math".

I would'nt shit or piss in your mouth, john, if you were starving AND on fire....
You call yourself a scientist? You are fucking kidding, right? blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553

Note how your work terrorizes innocent people, you coward fucking terrorist. Where do you live? Mind if we have a peaceful protest in front of your mother fucking house, b1tch/////////


Let me guess...you, like CERN, also believe the LHC is the coldest place in space/universe although it's known that the boomerang nebula IS the coldest (sustained) place in the universe at 1 kelvin (one kelvin). Can YOU do *that* math ya fucktard delusional? Did'nt think so plz to eat shit kthx.

By the way, the boomerang nebula was discovered in 1995 so that amounts to approximately a decade+ worth of continued academic fraud and/or conspiracy in regards to the LHC temp. issues., racketeering (got RICO).,etc. At this point, I'm writing about your mother fucking unsolicited communication of CERN-LHC safety you stupid mother fu(ker. You and your VET friends don't scare or intimidate me in the least. My dad was a seasoned vietnam vet with expeditionary awards and I am total expeditionary on you and your UCF assclownporn frauds now ya piece of sh1t con-artist kthx have a great day (not). Seen the moive with robert duvall called "The Great Santini"? Well, that's exactly how I was raised just so you know where I'm coming from...

Hmmm, I can;'t seem to find vital stats/email address/ data on Jim Wright, atm. Will pick up this case ltaer when I have more time...

You and your Jim Wright/UCF clonies like to threaten and terrorize people with your no standard of evidence, no precautionary principle and no plan B with glee LHC style apps?

Oh, but there's more:

Note the downgrading of technical issues by fucktard delusionals like you, John: lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=niksan&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=topics&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

The boomerang nebula is so cold, it's colder than the fucking universe. But, I'm sure a delusional such as your self will continue grapsing for those newton/einstein hallucination straws of your, eh? You really should seek serious medical help for those hallucinations of yours. You are, afterall, a postar child for birth control! Boomerang nebula: google.com/search?hl=en&q=boomerang+nebula+coldest+place+in+the+universe&btnG=Search


Teen in india committs sucide over LHC fears: google.com/search?hl=en&q=teen+in+india+committs+suicide+over+lhc+fears&btnG=Search

It seems that people are ready to wait twenty years for results if you've got formulas. If there are no formulas, they don't want to consider it. Formulas are means of talking utter nonsense until you understand what they mean. Every page of formulas usually contains six or seven arbitrary assumptions that take weeks of hard study to penetrate.
Younger physicists usually appreciate the implicate order because it makes quantum mechanics easier to grasp. By the time they're through graduate school, they've become dubious about it because they've heard that hidden variables are of no use because they've been refuted. Of course, nobody has really refuted them. At this point, I think that the major issue is mathematics. In supersymmetry theory an interesting piece of mathematics will attract attention, even without any experimental confirmation. (David Bohm, On Mathematics & Modern Physics, 1987) spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm


You must be proud of your terroristic style work? You meet the definition of 'extremist religious fanatic" just replace the words "god" and "bible" with "theories" and "math" and you have a precise definition of you and your delusional pro-LHC dingbat drone pals work. Osama Bin Laden looks like Mother Theresa in contrast to your work, john/jim wright/UCF. Correct me if I'm wrong but I do not see osama running around prepping to completely annihilate and destroy the world with an LHC style apparatus like all of you pro-LHC (if the shoe fits) countries/John/Jim Wright/obama/mccain/bush.,etc

What do you know about proton-proton chains/ linear vs. nonlinear equations/shroedinger equations/hidden variables theories/heisenberg uncertainty principle/etc relating to non QED-QCD (SED) predicts on LHC? Oh, that's right: YOU KNOW SH1T.

32 countries involved with LHC computer tier grid network: google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=lhc+tier+grid+network&btnG=Search


Just icing on the cake. Too many hidden/missing variables to list here, atm...

As Jim noted, this guy is all OVER the net, and he's seriously pissed about the quoted temperature of those magnets. :crazy:

There is even more, I've left out about half the Crazy. But, you know, you guys take care of yourselves. This is why I blog anonymously. I don't think this guys a serious threat, but I've been around the mentally ill long enough to know not to bet the whole farm on what *I* think they will do.

 

[rpenner]

Walter has been active recently, and so has his minion, JTankers. He took offense at something Jim said, and in one small detail he happened to be right (I know, blind pigs, truffles, and all that). If you go back to the Stonekettle Station post about Walter, you'll find the whole mess.

But then, well, then he decided to threaten the lawyer in our little online group. Big mistake. For some real comedy Check out Standing On the Shoulders of Giant Midgets, and Eric's "Wagner is Still Under Indictment" and "Open Letter to Walter L. Wagner" posts.

As far as we know, Walter is back in Utah.

And I just published a thorough examination of Otto Rossler on Refugees From the City.

Links inserted. Yes, Walter seemed to get state court permission to leave Hawai'i and seemed to get his Federal court schedule shuffled for this departure, and Luis Sancho's Hawai'ian mailing address returns mail to the Federal Court also with a Utah forwarding address. Since the timing seemed to correspond with the semi-annual grand meeting of Utah's most prominent religious group, I didn't want to describe it as running away, but if the federal action hadn't been dismissed Walter should have been back in Hawaii by now. Plans change.

But as the credibility of these claims has long since jumped the shark, people might start asking questions about trivial claims made by the team of Sancho and Wagner. For example, what evidence is there that Luis Sancho, citizen of Spain, was a Hawai'ian resident? Is there some sort of meaningful standard here or can sleeping for a week on a friend's couch qualify?

I don't think they've gone to Utah to restart the Federal action from another state. (Wagner, at least, already tried that with respect to RHIC.)
//Edit -- I think I spotted Rössler's editorial trick before and commented on it.
Oh yes, that was back in April 2008. Has he actually published those papers somewhere, or are they perpetually "pending"?

 

[udarnik]

Well, he's still involved in the Botanical Gardens thing, and we found a document on the Hawai'i courts server that shows that the prosecutor in the theft and ID theft cases filed by the Botanical Gardens against him made a stipulation for him to leave Hawai'i for Utah in November on a $6000 bond. His snail mail threat to Jim a week or two ago came postmarked from Utah. As far as we know he's still there.

The interesting things in Utah I came up with were these:

pbw.co.utah.ut.us/scripts/pbcgi70.e..._serial=000000000&as_entry=68419&al_year=2008

pbw.co.utah.ut.us/scripts/pbcgi70.e..._serial=000000000&as_entry=68433&al_year=2008

Now, the Gardens been involved in litigation against him for close to these amounts, I'm assuming he has some sort of property in Utah against which these liens were filed.

The Gardens themselves are a corporation formed in the State of Nevada, and he's been involved with the court system there, too:

ccwashoe.com/public/ck_public_qry_d...to=P&case_id=CV05-02079&begin_date=&end_date=


You might get a chuckle out of a few quotes:

DEFENDANTS WALTER WAGNER AND DOUG HANSEN ARE JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY LIABLE TO WORLD BOTANICAL GARDENS, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $12,737.06, TOGETHER WITH POST JUDGMENT INTEREST AT THE LEGAL RATE FOR DAMAGES THEY CAUSE WORLD BOTANICAL GARDENS BY FREEZING THE BANK ACCOUNT AND CLOSING THE WEBSITE

FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, ORDER OF CONTEMPT, AND JUDGMENT OF CONTEMPT JUDGMENT AGAINST WALTER WAGNER $281,216.00 + PRE-JDUGMENT INTEREEST AT THE LEGAL RATE PER ANNUM FROM THE DATE OF EACH FRAUDULENT SHARE SALE AND POST-JUDGMENT INTEREST AT THE LEGAL RATE PER ANNUM. JUDGMENT AGAINST DAN PERKINS $70,304.00 + PRE-JUDGMENT INTERST AT THE LEGAL RATE PER ANNUM FROM THE DATE OF EACH FRAUDULENT SHARE SALE AND POST-JUDGMENT INTEREST AT THE LEGAL RATE PER ANNUM JUDGMENT AGAINST WALTER WAGNER AND DAN PERKINS, JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY $23,170.63 + POST-JUDGMENT INTEREST AT THE LEGAL RATE PER ANNUM WALTER WAGNER AND DAN PERKINS SENTENCED TO SERVE 90 DAYS IN THE WASHOE COUNTY JAIL WITH A NO BAIL HOLD AND EACH TO PAY $3,000.00 FINE FOR THEIR KNOWING, WILLFUL AND DIRECT CONTEMPT OF THE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION AND OTHER COURT ORDERS. FURTHER PROVISIONS SET FORTH

COURT FINDS W. WAGNER, L. WAGNER AND D. PERKINS IN CONTEMTP FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR FOR THIS HRG. COURT GRANTS PLTS MOTION AND FINDS DEFTS ARE VEXATIOUS LITIGANTS COSTS AND FEES ARE AWARDED TO THE PLTS. BENCH WARRANT, NO BAIL ISSUED

 

[udarnik]

Oh yes, there are several reprimands in the Hawai'i LHC case documents about Walter filing papers for Sancho without a proper signature from Sancho. I have a feeling he's back in Spain.

 

[udarnik]

From here:

lhcdefense.org/pdf/Filed_ExParteApplication%20and%20WatsonDecl.pdf

7/ Plaintiffs' opposition brief is not the first or only paper that Mr. Wagner improperly signed and filed on behalf of both Plaintiffs. For instance, Plaintiffs' August 5, 2008 motion for a default judgment and permanent injunction against CERN and memorandum in support were signed only by Mr. Wagner. See Dkt. Nos. 29 and 31; see also Dkt. Nos. 9, 24 (other papers filed on behalf of Plaintiffs but signed only by Mr. Wagner). Although Mr. Wagner filed an "erratum" on August 11, 2008 purporting to correct this problem, see Dkt. No. 34, the original papers were still filed in violation of the rule against pro se parties practicing law without a license, and Mr. Wagner tacitly recognized this violation by filing the "erratum," which itself is also improperly signed only by Mr. Wagner. The filed version of Plaintiffs' opposition brief contains a written notation next to Mr. Wagner's signature stating that "Dr. Sancho signature to arrive via an 'Erratum' separately." Plfs. Opp. at 27. This notation is not on the version received by the United States Attorney's Office, and it is not indicated who made the notation. Plainly, however, the notation further emphasizes that Mr. Wagner is aware of the impropriety of his signing and filing papers on behalf of both Plaintiffs without both signatures. Plaintiffs' August 23 "Rebuttal," is also improperly signed only by
Mr. Wagner.

 

[rpenner]

http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4830&view=findpost&p=327402

How can two pro-se plaintiffs align their interests in court if neither is acting as the other's lawyer?

-- Mar 29 2008. rpenner

Udarnik's quote is from the Federal lawsuit and represents a professional's growing dissatisfaction with Wagner's making up procedure as he goes along. It was a footnote filed on August 27, 2008 by the US Defendants (Docket number 56, one of the subjects of the September 2 hearing which resulting in the ruling that the NEPA does not authorize the suit against the LHC). For reasons which the docket does not make clear, this motion (which was denied in the September 2 proceedings) does not appear in the docket.

Less than one month until Wagner's appeal brief is due.

 

[CptBork]

I just attended a talk given by one of the members of the LHC project (ATLAS detector to be specific), and they mentioned the staggering figures for media coverage surrounding the grand opening back in September. It was also mentioned that a lot of this coverage was sparked by interest in the inevitable doomsday us mad scientists were going to bring. I'm thinking we should claim a potential doomsday scenario every time we start a new project, and then charge viewers to watch the grand opening on pay per view. This could potentially fund physics research around the world for decades to come.