Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

Discussion in 'World Events' started by StrawDog, Feb 5, 2009.

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  1. aaa Registered Senior Member

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    You are right, let them kill each other

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    This isn't a game and I don't give a damn about the score, 1 life taken is already too much.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Also unbelievable.
     
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  5. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    Yes, I want Muslims to acknowledge (even if only in a personal fashion) that the individual, and only the individual, is to blame, and not try to absolve the individual of blame simply because they happen to Muslim. Is it really that much to ask?

    I hold a Muslim accountable for his behaviour. *gasp* The horrorz.

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  7. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    He was also a Muslim/brown person/Palestinian/non-Westerner, which means we can't hold him accountable for his behaviour.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Seems like the Likudniks are getting ready to implement their new approach. This "incident" plays right into the hands of Leiberman's ilk.
     
  9. aaa Registered Senior Member

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    Here's your evidence.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kglhluz1U
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Proof?
     
  11. copernicus66 Banned Banned

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    Oh my goodness, earlier in this thread you had accepted that he was Palestinian, and were attempting to offload the responsibility for his crime off on the Israelis and U.S.A. If the man does turn out to be an Israeli, will you still attempt to claim the defense of 'insanity' to absolve him of his crimes?

    Don't bother answering, S.A.M, we both know the answer to my question.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Then I remembered we're talking about Israeli "news" and checked the source.

    So where is the proof? Any evidence that a Palestinian is involved?
     
  13. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    No you hold all Muslims accountable for whatever an individual does. No ones absolving the blame. But how is it condoning the act if youre questioning what might have led him to it? After all, its an entire expertise in the West, trying to figure out why someone did what they did.
     
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  14. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    Wheres the dancing and and cheering at this current news that you were so proudly announcing? Why give me a link to something that happened in 2000, and which was avenged by Israeli soldiers by shooting at Arabs while they were in restaurants and out eating? Why do you keep focusing on Palestinians and never mention something that the Israelis do?
     
  15. aaa Registered Senior Member

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    No, apparently the boy stabbed himself to death. God, you're a
    lying hypocrite.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Uh? I'm sorry? Do you have ANY evidence that a Palestinian is responsible?
     
  17. aaa Registered Senior Member

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    For this specific case I admit, I don't have any evidence for such behavior. I have for other cases, that is why I posted this link, to show you that it is possible. Although, Hamas still supports this barbaric act, I don't know if you do.
     
  18. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    Do you support the killing of all those innocent Palestinians? Want me to keep asking you this question over and over? Then stop asking me as well, ok? The simple fact that you and Cop expect every Muslim you talk to to immediately issue a statement denouncing everything the Palestinians do as cruel and horrible and barbaric even though we have nothing to do with these people is exactly which makes people like me and Sam frustrated which means we will continue to talk about all that Israel has done. Just like 9/11. When it happened we were all shocked. But when people found out it may have been Muslims, people asked me 70 times in a single day whether I condemned their behaviour. After living among them for 10 years, growing up with them and being like them, they still had to ask me whether I condemned this behaviour just becuase I was a Muslim. Then I found out no matter what I do, I will always be seen as an outsider when something like this happens. After that I said fuck off. Im not responsible for the behaviour of people I've never met. Do not ask me whether I denounce or condemn the actions of people on the other side of the world that I've never met, just because they may belong to the same religion as me. This is something you and your ilk have a hard tme understanding. If you keep doing that, I will continue to point out your hypocrisy by talking about all the killings done by Israel and why you didnt condemn them.
     
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    Is this guy a war criminal? Or has he been accused of committing a crime against some children? Does that make him a war criminal?

    That both sides are the same..

    Why would you appreciate such a response?

    I have read statements that this was a horrible crime, that it was sad that it happened and unacceptable. That's not enough for you?

    Do you want a public memorial?

    At the end of the day, they are giving the exact same response Baron gave earlier.

    You mean like the way Western leaders hummed and hawed when confronted with the crimes committed against civilians in Gaza?

    And? Are they still apologising?

    What we are seeing is the simple fact that when a Muslim commits a crime, the whole collective is blamed for it. When a Westerner commits a crime, the individual is blamed. Can you see the difference?

    The fact that someone has been accused of a crime and before he can even be found guilty or not guilty in a court of law, you expect all Muslims to start condemning?

    Yes, it is sad.

    You expressed a comment about guilt. I was merely commenting on it.

    I have seen some of the comments that you have made about women in general on this forum, so your spray that you would "condemn" it is amusing at best.

    I have highlighted the important part of your post, which goes to the heart of the matter here. So why should all Muslims condemn and/or apologise for what an individual has been accused of doing?

    And yet, many do. All the time. Read through these forums alone and you would see that.

    Absolve? No. They are trying to find a reason as to what could drive someone to doing what they are accused of doing.

    We make it "US v Them" when we expect them to condemn and speak out against every single crime committed by other Muslims around the world. Even before they are found guilty in a court of law.

    I didn't see you going "apeshit" when accusations of IDF soldiers shooting children or bombing children and blaming Muslims for it.. why is that C66?

    Is that because they didn't use an axe? Is that the only standard you are going to apply to voice your condemnation?
     
  20. aaa Registered Senior Member

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    Hamas claims it's a natural reaction to occupation, so yes that might be a PALESTINIAN killing a Jewish boy in the West Bank, after all.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thats not what the news said. This is the West Bank, remember? Gush Etzion. The jurisdiction is not Hamas, its Israel. They don't allow Arabs in.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130730
     
  23. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    Sam just trounced Cop and aaa. Good work Sam.
     
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