Is science a religion?

So, what you're saying (as an evidence based thinker) is that although they have not found any hard evidence, you are hopeful and confident they will find some, yes? That would certainly make your position more sustainable and credible.

In my opinion there is real evidence for the Exodus, but I also believe that it should be investigated more.

There is enough evidence for me, personally.

I always present the available information and ask people to decide for themselves. I always present it for their review.

That is all I really can or should do.

People can do whatever they want with the evidence.

Throw it out the window, or whatever?
 
In my opinion there is real evidence for the Exodus, but I also believe that it should be investigated more.

There is enough evidence for me, personally.

I always present the available information and ask people to decide for themselves. I always present it for their review.

That is all I really can or should do.

People can do whatever they want with the evidence.

Throw it out the window, or whatever?

What evidence? Simple stating that some new location is the evidence, is not evidence, it's just a place on the map. Unless they find artifacts confirming the location, then there simply is no evidence.
 
Don't we receive our moral codes from God, such that he created us in His image? Of course, Gods morals were written in a barbaric time when we had very few morals. Today, we have much more reasonable and rational morals than God ever did. Even from the Old to New testaments, we can observe moral changes, for example, an eye for an eye changed to turning the other cheek.

What's interesting about turning the other cheek is when you present that to Muslims, who believe they have every right to kill you for any transgressions. Islam is still barbaric.
Yes. But we are children to him. Would you let your 4 year old kid smoke?

Yep. Turn the other cheek. Violence is pointless would you agree?

I agree about Islam, but I have met dozens of good Muslims.
 
Yes. But we are children to him. Would you let your 4 year old kid smoke?

Yep. Turn the other cheek. Violence is pointless would you agree?

I agree about Islam, but I have met dozens of good Muslims.

On the contrary, God is a child to us, our current morals are superior to His. Do you see anywhere in the Bible that prohibits slavery? Even if we considered Moses Ten Commandments, there is no commandment for slavery. THIS after 400 years of slavery in Egypt. Go figure.
 
You are above the animals but below the Angels yet you think you can question God's actions?

Yes you can question them, and reject God.

I understand that completely.
 
What evidence? Simple stating that some new location is the evidence, is not evidence, it's just a place on the map. Unless they find artifacts confirming the location, then there simply is no evidence.

I agree with that concern.

There are petroglyphs and rock paintings and two different altars and there are pillar remains and a rock quarry and a mass gravesite and evidence of the ancient brook, and water wells, and a blackened mountain top, and a Split Rock, and a cave, and the Geography also matches the Exodus Account. And even the camp area fits the account. One of the petroglyphs depicts an Egyptian style of worship. Another petroglyph depicts a Jewish Menorah. That Menorah matches the proportions and design found on the Arch of Titus built in 81 AD, over one thousand years after the Exodus.

These artifacts exist. And I have photographs and Google Earth coordinates.

I will upload photos when I get a chance in the other thread. So they can be reviewed.
 
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You are above the animals but below the Angels

Sorry, don't even know what that means, humans ARE animals. Since I've never seen an angel, I don't really care what they might say or do. Of course, when you see one, be sure to send them my way and I'll have that discussion with them.

yet you think you can question God's actions?

Absolutely, I have every right to question. What kind of moral guidance can God give when He tells you one thing and then does the opposite. There are verses in the Bible where God not only does not prohibit slavery, but actually condones it. This is not a moral God.

Yes you can question them, and reject God.

I understand that completely.

I don't have to reject God in order to question his actions. Aren't theists always telling us to love the sinner and hate the sins. Well, I can then not reject God but certainly I can detest and question his actions.

You said earlier that we are Gods children. What kind of father behaves so atrociously and then expects his children to not behave that way? Lead by example, right?
 
Sorry, don't even know what that means, humans ARE animals. Since I've never seen an angel, I don't really care what they might say or do. Of course, when you see one, be sure to send them my way and I'll have that discussion with them...

Enjoy your conquest of questioning Gods mind.

Nothing to discuss.
 
Enjoy your conquest of questioning Gods mind.

Nothing to discuss.

Since God can only be shown to exist as words in a book, I see no mind to question.

And, if you don't question those words, then I can only assume you agree with things such as condoning slavery?
 
Since God can only be shown to exist as words in a book, I see no mind to question.

And, if you don't question those words, then I can only assume you agree with things such as condoning slavery?
No.

I don't use the book to sort my moral code out.
 
SetiAlpha6:

Plagiarist with the quotes I posted?

No. That is actually slander.
Why didn't you cite the page you copied all those quotes from? Why weren't you up front about copying from a site that is set up with the specific aims of promoting the Creationist idea of Intelligent Design?

The original Author and Source were both provided.
You told a half-truth and you were caught out.

Thank you for posting my website source, it provides a lot of interesting quote material to draw from.
If you were honest, you would have posted the link and saved everybody the bother of having to wade through the plagiarised quotes in your posts one by one.

I am sure you have quoted others many times before.
When I quote somebody, I provide a reference, typically including a link to where I found the quote if it is online.

I understand your reluctance to show your true colours by exposing that you've only consulted Creationist and religious sites to get the material you choose to cut-and-paste to here. But that's really no excuse.

Apologies accepted.
Excuse me?

Do you intend to apologise to your readers here for being less than honest about your source, or not?

Do you have the nerve to ask me to apologise to you merely for pointing out your duplicity?

Think about this carefully before you respond.
 
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"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation, that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasture and others. That leaves us with the only possible conclusion that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible; spontaneous generation arising to evolution." (Dr. George Wall professor emeritus of biology at Harvard University. Nobel Prize winner in biology. From an article in Scientific American)
Another quote from the same page I linked to above.

This one appears to be a complete fabrication, too, as (Q) pointed out above.

Are you now going to go back and check that the other quotes you posted are accurate, or do you intend to keep relying on other people to point out your errors and lies?

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Comments on your own thoughts follow.

Only faith in God is normally based on real people and real events, happening in real places in history, in other words on real history written down by others in the past and present.
Currently you are in dispute as to whether the Exodus account ever happened in reality. How can you make the bald-faced claim that biblical events are "based on real people and real events", in light of your awareness that the reality of a lot of the events in the bible is very much disputed?

The first step is to be honest to yourself. If you can manage that, then you can try being honest when you engage with other people.

If you call yourself a Christian, are these your Christian standards of morality on display here? Is this the best you can do?

Faith in God provides the basis for Science and also for the basis of morality.
No.

Faith in Science alone is limited.
Science isn't based on faith. It is grounded in evidence.

Scientific Naturalism is wonderful as far as it can reach, but it cannot answer all of life’s problems.
Did it ever claim that it could?

Meanwhile, religion hasn't got much to say about the details of how the natural world operates. So what?

Science has little to say about morality and nothing to say about purpose except that there is none revealed in science.
I'm not sure I agree with you about the inapplicability of science to morality, but that's a separate discussion.

What do you mean by "purpose"? Why is purpose important?

Science ultimately provides no hope for mankind, only despair.
Well, that's a big claim that you make, sitting in what I assume is a comfortable house surrounded by modern techological conveniences that would not exist were it not for Science. Looks to me like you're either telling lies again, or else you have a severely restricted vision of your world as it really is. Perhaps you should try taking the religious blinkers off for a minute or two and try looking around yourself.

But Science does not allow for freewill.
Nonsense.
 
SetiAlpha6:


Why didn't you cite the page you copied all those quotes from? Why weren't you up front about copying from a site that is set up with the specific aims of promoting the Creationist idea of Intelligent Design?


You told a half-truth and you were caught out.


If you were honest, you would have posted the link and saved everybody the bother of having to wade through the plagiarised quotes in your posts one by one.


When I quote somebody, I provide a reference, typically including a link to where I found the quote if it is online.

I understand your reluctance to show your true colours by exposing that you've only consulted Creationist and religious sites to get the material you choose to cut-and-paste to here. But that's really no excuse.


Excuse me?

Do you intend to apologise to your readers here for being less than honest about your source, or not?

Do you have the nerve to ask me to apologise to you merely for pointing out your duplicity?

Think about this carefully before you respond.

I was completely wrong and ignorant for using those quotes in the way that I did!

Thank you for the correction!

I apologize to you, James, and to everyone else for my comments.

Please accept my apology.
 
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