How to Win an Argument With a Vegetarian

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by KilljoyKlown, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm... it's (or, it was) "Prince of Wales," and Coronado Island is in the San Diego bay, immediately across the water from downtown San Diego and a bit over 100 miles south of Long Beach.

    "Prince of Wails" would have been funnier, though.
     
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  3. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    For me that was 40 years ago, and I know San Diego is a little less than a 100 miles from Long Beach and Coronado Island would be on the northern side of San Diego. Now that I think about it 70 miles sounds about right. I seem to remember the Tijuana border was only about 110 miles from Redondo Beach. But I might be a little foggy there too.

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    After all I was only trying to make a point about the veggies.
     
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  5. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Not to be a total stickler here, but this map should make the situation clear:

    Southwestern SoCal

    If you ask for driving direction from Long Beach to Coronado, it'll tell you 110 miles driving distance. I suspect you might be mixing Coronado up with Carlsbad or something like that?
     
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  7. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Nope! Use to go by the mileage from the actual drive. Wonder if the rout has changed much in 40 years? Do you remember who it was that said they hate nit pickers? (I might be coming around)

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  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Nice tongue-in-cheek comment there. But the fact that it isn't true is an indicator of the kind of cognitive dissonance that meat eaters manage to maintain with no effort at all. Because many moral arguments against killing and eating human beings logically extend to apply equally to eating "higher" mammals (at least) such as cattle, sheep and pigs. Yet meat eaters will often claim that human beings are on a completely separate plane when it comes to eating them, for reasons that few can manage to articulate.

    Sounds like you have only known pseudo-vegetarians whose vegetarianism is all about them and not about what they eat. So, they're vegetarian for their own health, or because they want to lose weight, or because they think they'll look better on a vegetarian diet, or because they think their friends will admire them for being nice to fluffy animals, or whatever. Essentially, vegetarianism is a phase or a fad for such people.

    I've come across quite a few self-proclaimed "vegetarians" who still eat chicken, or who will argue that fish isn't really "meat". Obviously, these people haven't quite got the whole concept down pat.
     
  9. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Come to think of it, I do not think that I have met anyone who was born into a vegan home, and hence raised as a vegan from birth, for their entire life. I don't think I can even come up with a vegetarian example, though the standards are considerably more relaxed.

    Is there anyone following this thread who might contribute further insight to this observation?

    What is being suggested is that being vegan or vegetarian, at least in North American culture, is a recently available option, brought to us by technology and transportation enabling variety and availability of these products year round.
     
  10. Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly. The ease to get the rarer nutrients in your diet from vegetables is a recent thing. I wonder how realistic it is for many people? Monetarily, logistically, practically; can everyone be vegan(or even vegetarian)?
    Perhaps someone insisting they get all the nutrients they need in a meat free diet could cover where people would get these nutrients and if there are enough to go around the whole world?
    Without the need for supplements obviously, it's hardly a better "natural" diet if you need supplements.


    From a moral standpoint you can't really be a "moral vegetarian" - if the reasoning is based on the morality of cruelty to animals and their subsequent killing then surely veganism is the only option. :shrug:


    Alternatively I could just go into the business of making Bacon flavoured supplements.

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  11. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    i take my natural vitamins. It is called food
    Do vegans eat dirt to get there iron ? Red dirt is my best suggestion
     
  12. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Are you sure your food has all the nutrients you need? After all you come across kind of crazy at times and I have to wonder if there might be some kind of nutrient imbalance in your system.

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    As you get older some nutrients don't get absorbed into your system as well as they used to when you were younger and it's not convenient to have your blood levels checked on a regular basis or ever for most of us. A good example of a nutrient that has that problem is vitamin D3. If your system needs extra vitamins above your food intake for whatever reason, then supplements are called for.
     
  13. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    I just supplement for insurance. Make sure I get it
    Why not? The water soluble stuff...whatever you don't need you pee off.
     
  14. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I marvel that our species survived at all prior to the development of nutritional understanding and supplements.:scratchin::roflmao:

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  15. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Hell Klown Me craziness started when I was five and first went to school . Not nothing new under the sun . The other kids said who is that crazy kid that don't comb his hair . It is not my fault Klown . I comb my hair . My hair just don't want to conform . Hair dressers like it and all say the same thing . God I wish I had hair like that . ( Secret : It is in the meat ) They don't have to comb it on a regular bases . I had a check up 3 years ago and Me blood pressure was like a 25 year old and my cholesterol was extremely low . The people that did the tests had a hard time believing I smoked for over 40 years. I attribute it to working my fucking ass off bringing peoples nesting instincts to reality. You want to get to know people remodel there houses for a while . Build them house all custom like . Building a house is one of the main factors that lead to divorce you know. I doubt I can provide a link to that cause it is little known information . I call it the instigator. Yeah you don't know what caused all the friction . The wife thinks it is the other woman he was fucking but in reality it was because he picked a black stove with a white refrigerator. Fucking Men are stupid , They know shit about house hold goods
     
  16. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    You hit the nail on the head with that one, my custom carpentry friend, lol.... Messing with the organizational instincts of another, and on their turf is bound to cause discord and is adequate grounds for divorce if carried to extremes.

    That is why it is important for each of us to have at least a small space of influence that no one else messes with.

    I'm thinking that such may be part of the attraction of portable, personal computing/communication devices. You can have your own small world of organization at your fingertips everywhere you go, as long as you have a signal. Even without connectivity, you still have access to the basic framework of organization in your own personal world in your saved files.

    Silly me.....all this time I have been relying on my own memory. What was I thinking?

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  17. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    ... and killed some 50% of their newborns ...
    Talk about inflation!


    I'd like to see you surive out in the wilderness, without modern technology ... for a night.

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  18. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    The essential arguments behind any food choice are bound to one's life philosophy.

    Someone with the philosophy of "Kill or be killed" isn't going to be a vegetarian and does not find it immoral to eat meat.

    "Live and live" isn't conducive to meat-eating and considers meat-eating immoral.


    Eventually, though, anyone with a critical mind will seek justifications for their food-preferences, and those justifications will eventually go beyond simplistic notions of "Kill or be killed" and "Live and live," but will instead have to tie in with one's answers to the big questions - Why am I here? Where did I come from? Where am I going? What is my purpose in life?


    Even if one's purpose in life is "to be happy and to have fun," one sooner or later realizes that when one's happiness comes at the cost of the happiness of others, then one's happiness will not last, as those others will fight back for their happiness in one way or another.


    Any food preference has lesser or greater implications that concern the whole society and its economy.
     
  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    So you are ignorant. Try harder to keep up kid.
     
  20. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    My Ex took over everything in the house and gave me the cars to do what with them as I wanted. Wasn't very nice of her but then again I try to be accommodating. I let her do it up the way she liked and never told her that I didn't care for something even if I did, that way I don't create any hostile intentions and live in peace allot easier.

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  21. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Win an argument with a vegetarian? Eat them.
     
  22. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure how this applies to winning an argument with a vegetarian, lol....

    Sharing the living space is among the more difficult of challenges in relationships between the sexes, in my observation. Perhaps that is one reason that in many households of olden time, there was a 'den' or library that was traditionally the male's room for sanctuary from household activity.

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  23. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    "Sanctuary" I like that word and wish more women believed in it for their men.

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