God is defined, not described.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ted Grant II, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. river

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    Buddha is a state of mind . Understanding the bigger picture of Humanity and the Universe .

    But not one that puts Humanity first and foremost .
     
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  3. river

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    god , is in all things .

    Not creationism , because creationism is based on abrahamic god. This god is mean , nasty .
     
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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, I'll bite. What is the bigger picture?
     
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  7. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I need to pick up the Bible again and give it a read. I'm thinking there might have been something there I missed.
     
  8. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, too bad it's total bullshit.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    From some things you hint at I respectfully suggest that you certainly may have missed something...try thinking credibility.

    Recognise the flaws and mistruths but take away any machinery that helps you deal with the cruel world...love others and turn the other cheek are worthy of not throwing out.
    Alex
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe someone left a joint in there.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Repeat post
     
  12. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Guys, guys, guys!

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    So many posts. Just look for him and he will find you. And know he has and always will love you.
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Alex's view of the world turns on there being no God, and for him any alternative is beyond comprehension.
    Rejection & denial of God will figure in all his responses.
    That's what I've been saying. Silly!
    There is a situation where there is no God. Atheism.
    If we want to know what it would be like if there was no God, we need not look further than an atheist.

    Jan.
     
  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    If we want to know what it would be like if there were a God, we need not look further than a theist.
    Alex
     
  15. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    Whether or not God exists, is purely the contention of atheists.

    Jan.
     
  16. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    Whether or not God exists, is purely the contention of theists.
     
  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Theist - A person who believes in God.

    Jan.
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    Whether or not God exists, is purely the contention of theists.

    Alex
     
  19. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    The issue of there being no God or not, as being discussed by Xelasnave, is clearly with regard objective reality, not the "there is no God for you" subjectivity that you seem to prefer.
    So when he is discussing the situation where there is no God, he is referring to God not being the "cause of all", there being no God at all, that God only exists as a concept people might believe in but has no reality beyond that.

    Are you able to consider the situation where God does not objectively exist/Is?
    Or, for you, is it a case of "if God does not objectively exist (or Is) then we would not exist - we exist therefore God Is"?
     
  20. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    That makes no sense.

    Jan.
     
  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    There is no God at all, for the atheist.
    That is what the atheist experiences (hence the term).

    What do you mean by objectively exist?

    If you mean like pots and pans, there is no need to make any considerations.

    There is no God, for the atheist, because he/she can only consider pots and pans existence as real, when it comes to God
    This is the denial, rejection, and disbelief, that theists encounter when discussing with atheists.

    Jan.
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    OK let me restate it.
    No.
    Whether or not God exists, is purely the contention of theists.


    Alex
     
  23. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    That is not necessarily true, as has been discussed over numerous threads with you.
    But be that as it may, I am not asking about matters of subjectivity, but objectively.
    No, I do not mean like pots and pans.
    I even deliberately used both "exist" and "Is" - being that you have made such a fuss previously about the distinction - so as not to mean just a "pots and pans" existence.
    What I mean by objectively exist/Is is an existence that is the case for everyone, i.e. irrespective of subjective viewpoint.
    So no "does not exist for you" - which is a subjective viewpoint - but "does not exist/Isn't, period".
    That is blatantly not true.
    It is quite possible for the atheist to consider God's existence as being "God Is", just as you are capable of it.
    The only difference would be that the atheist does not hold the belief that it is the case (although they don't necessarily hold the belief that it is not the case).
    To dismiss atheists view on the matter, and their arguments, simply because you assume that all atheists are incapable of what you think they are, is both fallacious and, because you deliberately do it, dishonest.
    Well, some atheists, perhaps, and certainly your strawman caricature.
    But you are being dishonest if you generalise all atheists, even on this site, even those that try to discuss with you, as being per your strawman.
     

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