God is defined, not described.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ted Grant II, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Because he wants you to feel angry and unfulfilled. It justified his irrational belief in a Savior.
    You worry about not offending others, be they religious or not, whereas Jan very politely and patiently continues to offend atheists and show his superior and exclusive perspective on life and the universe.
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I thank you for your observation.

    Ha making me angry and unfulfilled ...don't think so...welcome to try if that makes him happy.

    His (or her) perception that I seem angry is after all may well be valid.
    I am concerned that he may genuinely hold such s perception.

    Folk in real life think I am tuff and mean which is opposite to the real me.

    They see you in a fight (only two in fifteen years have they witnessed) or an arm wrestle and they forget all the times you are un noticeable.

    But I do worry why folk can get such a incorrect impression.

    I don't get angry. In a fight I become remarkably cool and focused, my training taught me if you get angry you lose.

    Besides I am gentle and kind.

    Even the god was unable to get me angry, mind you I will fake anger as a tactic to gain advantage, like a shout in skyrim.

    The god gave it his best shot and any anger would be me just messing with his head.

    I hope you are wrong about Jan. I like Jan as I have said I find him ( or her) most entertaining.

    I find it interesting he holds beliefs made up by folk who did not know better.

    And if your observation is valid I could only feel sorry for Jan as that would point more to low self esteem than perhaps an intentional malice.

    And if he suffers low self esteem it could easily come from an early indoctrination ... Who knows what causes folk to lose faith in themselves and seek an invisible friend.
    They should be pitied an concern extended for their sad plight.

    Low self esteem I regard as the worst condition a human can experience.

    Well there are worse things but for me I tend to worry about those with low self esteem.

    They will punish themselves with guilt yet on the outside will present as confident even arrogant often critical of others focusing on flaws they imagine in others but are actually things they hate about themselves.

    They find compassion for others difficult because they have little for themselves.

    I don't think Jan is suffering low self esteem he has his world view and for whatever reason seems to hold on to it with a firm grip.
    He does well given all like to argue that he is wrong... And he may be wrong but that is not particularly relevant to my point.

    I hold my world view similar.
    I don't buy the nonsense made up for fools to hold others in control, causing them to hate themselves through guilt...you are a sinner crap.
    JC died for you because if mans sin.
    God gave you clothes to protect you from sin.
    You can make a list.

    Jan does, and I have probably have said this before now, maybe not, reminds me of an attractive woman at a bar or party holding court with all those men thinking they will be the one she will fall for.

    They each try to impress but she sidesteps each advance causing the next to try his stuff.

    She enjoys her ability to, in her view, to have them all running in circles with her remaining distant and aloof but nevertheless the center of attention.

    Jan may like being the center of attention but I see no harm there at all.


    Alex
     
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  5. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I don't.

    Can you elaborate on what it is you understand?

    Thinking you have no weaknesses?
    I would have thought so.

    Why?

    *Shrug*

    I think he can think what he likes.

    I'm not labelling you atheist. You are, as the label suggests, atheist. Unless you're not.

    Good joke. Unfortunately the best jokes tend to be crude.

    But, to shag a goat is pretty remarkable.
    At least for some.

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    Not in this case.
    Holistically, atheists are without God.
    They can of course question the existence of God. They can claim there is no evidence. Like Dave they can think and say what they like. But one thing is for sure, there is no God as far as they are aware.

    In what way does belief provide answers?

    In one breath you seem like you're in some kind of understanding, then the punchlines reveals you're not. I get the strategy, but, it wastes time.

    Anyways. Beliefs aren't set in stone.
    My theism is consistent. Why do think there is a problem with beliefs being consistent?

    I'll point it out as you do it. But pretty much the whole, crushing, hurting, and teaching a lesson thing is part of what I'm talking about.

    As an atheist, it would be pretty strange if you had a fear for something, that for all intent and purpose, does not exist.

    It pretty strange people like yourself feel the need to defend, effectively nothing, not to mention amusing.

    A psychopath is without compassion, and empathy. An atheist is without God.

    There is nothing to stop a psychopath from conducting a detailed scientific, and philosophical study of compassion and empathy. Neither is there anything to stop the atheist from conducting studies on God, and theism.

    While they can be as rigorous as rigorous can be. They can never know what they are, because you have to experience them to truly understand.

    Atheist cannot experience God, there is nothing judgemental about it. It is a fact.

    Jan.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I find it interesting he holds beliefs made up by folk who did not know better.

    I could only feel sorry for Jan as that would point more to low self esteem


    it could easily come from an early indoctrination ...

    Who knows what causes folk to lose faith in themselves and seek an invisible friend.


    They should be pitied an concern extended for their sad plight.

    I regard [Low self esteem] as the worst condition a human can experience.

    And here's me thinking we were bonding.

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    Are you the groundwork for something?

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    Jan.
     
  8. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    An atheist has no reason to believe that any of the hundreds of Gods throughout Human history, exist.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Not really Jan.
    I would have thought my meaning was clear.
    Thanks.
    One can only wonder.
    A desire to be decent and kind.
    You will miss the irony..
    That is obvious, I sought your opinion on generalisation not Dave's view.
    Anyways your answer is funny even cute.
    I am happy to wear the label it just seems so trivial and silly..I mean I would not introduce myself.. Hi I am Alex the atheist.
    I should not have posted it and am sorry that I did.
    And they would be right there is none.
    I am surprised you need to ask.
    You are being cute no doubt.
    I think you are imagining stuff Jan.
    They appear set in stone.
    Consistent can sit along stubborn both are not friendly with change.
    You seem unable to remember what was said a d moreover you are getting things wrong.
    We both state the obvious.
    Yes indeed amusing.
    I find the concept of God amusing so I also find folk claiming God exists..its cute.
    Thanks for trying to explain it.


    Well its been nice Jan as always but we don't seem to uncover new ground.
    Until you come up with something I will loosely call evidence nothing will change unless you have a change of heart.
    There is only so many times we can go back and forth but frankly I seek more than repeating the same or similar sort if stuff.
    There is little mental stimulation in the subject really.
    All the best Jan.
    Bye for now.
    Alex
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    We are Jan, we are.
    You can see how I was defending your position, I know you don't need that but I cant help looking out for folk.
    I am not sure what you mean but I am not preparing to crush you if you are still on that trip.

    I admit I did float off a little.

    I can't help thinking about you and others who actually believe there is a God.

    I find it so puzzling fascinating and cute.

    You strike me as intelligent so I just find it incomprehensible that you believe there is a God.

    I know you do but for me it is like believing in Santa or Peter Pan.

    I just am surprised more than anything that folk who believe like you, and you, exist. Don't get me wrong I really respect your right to believe I do have difficulty in accepting folk really truly accept what I see as a fairy tale.

    Its like a mate I had once he believed in Tarot cards, finally I realised he really truly believed in their predictive power, and he was so capable, build anything repair your car, and yet gave up all his reason to embrace nonsense.

    I don't get it.

    I mean you expect primitive people to foster superstition but to encounter a modern human believing stuff that is pure fantasy ... Well I find it hard to get my head around.

    A anyways good luck.

    There is nothing more to discuss.
    Alex
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Do you really think "nice" describes our conversations.

    I've come up with loads Alex, maybe you're not paying full attention. Perhaps you are somewhat distracted.

    I imagine putting effort into defending nothing, the opposite of mental stimulation.


    Jan.
     
  12. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Ahhhhh! How patronising is that.

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    It would actually mean something g if you weren't an atheist.

    I know you do.
    It's because you're atheist.

    I totally get it.

    Would you rather we didn't exist?

    Oh I can see you respect me.

    Does it bother you Alex.
    I only ask because you seem to bothered
    Forget I said that. Maybe I had a little too much coffee this morning.

    It does bother you. Doesn't it.
    Perhaps we should stop discussing.
    Bye Alex.

    Jan.
     
  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I do Jan.
    Pleasant and sweet....nice.
    Sure Jan I missed the evidence and you do not feel inclined to go thru it again.
    I understand.
    Perhaps.
    You tell me.
    It would seem you defend something that is not there I am just here because I enjoy a nice chat.
    I am going out to do some astronomy.
    Alex
     
  14. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    We're in total agreement.

    Jan.
     
  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No ...no way.
    I wish, I really do wish, every one could be kind both to other humans and animals.
    I wish there was more than a made up God who had power to actually do something.
    Bye Jan the stars call me.
    Alex
     
  16. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Okay.

    You didn't miss the evidence Alex,
    You are impervious to the evidence.
    As long as your atheist, there is no God, or evidence of God.

    It does seem like that. Doesn't it.
    But that merely emphasises the fact that you are here talking about nothing, and defending it.
    It's all about the atheist Alex. They are the ones that lack.

    Have fun with your astronomy.

    Jan.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    the OP title states; "God is defined, not described" even as these terms are synonymous
    Oxford Dictionaries ·

    In 37 pages of discussion I have not found a single definition or description of God, except a generality of God as the creative force which is either experienced or not experienced.
    A form of "elan vital" (Bergson), which is accessible by a theist, but inaccessible by atheists.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élan_vital

    An unproductive exercise in mysticism, IMO.
     
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  18. Seaman Registered Member

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    Why are you attacking someone who seeks the truth ? Scientists do that ! They are revealing the wonders of God's work. Does anybody "understand" quarks ? OK we can calculate and predict the behaviour of quarks, using the reasoning powers guided by the Holy Spirit, but only God understands the Force that holds them together. If you think you understand Quantum mechanics, then you don't !
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Give this man a Nobel prize for having solved the mystery of Quarks and Quantum Mechanics. God did it! Who would have thunk it?
     
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  20. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    So don't participate.
    Treat this thread like this one http://www.sciforums.com/threads/imperative.160330/.

    jan.
     
  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    You. It would seem.
    He said, ''God understands the force that holds them together''.

    jan.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    He is demonstrably not seeking truth; he is seeking validation of his own ego, as witnessed by his retreat to, and repetition of, his mantra, whenever his atrocious logic is challenged.


    Since the discussion's premise is that God has not been shown as existing, that's just a smidge premature.
     
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