Gender identity: Crazy/delusional?

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  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Why not just make unisex bathrooms with stalls?
    Why do you care what's under people's clothes or what oddball behaviours they engage in at home?
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    True

    True

    Probably more heretical

    True

    However we are not calling things by other name

    Delusional people are experiencing happenings which are not present in reality

    When everyone believed that the earth is flat and the sun comes up from underneath it every morning, believing that was normal

    The above would be seen as a shared delusion (more accurately called conformity now) and the reason the experience (flat Earth sun etc) was NOT called delusional then was the lack of knowledge of reality

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  5. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    Simple solution, eh?. Retool every single bathroom in every single public building, eh? Well, it will create jobs, eh? You're a funny guy too.
     
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  7. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Contrary to all the science of actual biological sex differences...and correlated behavior regardless of gender identity.
     
  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    What needs retooling in a toilet? Most people don't have segregated bathrooms in their homes; the same basic fixtures serve at least two genders quite well, and I'm not aware of any sub-genders that require, or demand, a new kind of plumbing. Keep the urinals in one washroom, enlarge the other one with more stalls.
    .....
    Or, how's this for a novel idea?
    Keep all your washrooms just as they are (though a little cleaner wouldn't hurt, in some places) and let the public use whichever they want.
     
  9. Capracus Registered Senior Member

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    What would you suggest as a standard for gender identification?
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Funny, we had coed bathrooms in college. It just wasn't a big deal for us. (Of course, we weren't raised in the mindset that the government has to tell you what bathroom to use.)
     
  11. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps Trump can incorporate this need into a new jobs creation program - BBSDI - Bathroom Biological Sex Difference Identifier.

    Think of the millions of new careers in this field...
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    A good start would be the chromosome possession

    Since I understand only about 2% have problems with their assigned gender let those people work it out with the experts in the field

    We have

    Male

    Female

    ?

    To qualify for the ? it should be a requirement you are under an assigned expert

    Eliminate self diagnosis of gender

    Eliminate the ' shame ' and discrimination of being ? and you have it made

    I did wonder if those with more than one X chromosome would want a MAN'S MAN toilet in a male prison ,

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    Does being a XXY have any privilege attached?

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  13. Capracus Registered Senior Member

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    There is a need to qualify the definitions we use, otherwise their meanings become useless. In the case of gender, what degree of psychological and physical attributes must be present to qualify as a given gender? Are all masculine females men? Are all feminine males women? Who chooses, society or the individual?
     
  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I would certainly not go for individual choice

    Instead of any senerio I can cook up reach into your own mind and think about what the oddballs can cook up in their minds if given a chance to pick their gender

    The above is not about those who have a true reason for confusion

    Think of the oddballs who would seek to exploit the freedom to choose their gender

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  15. Bells Staff Member

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    Are you referring to LGBT as "oddballs"? Because this seems to be a recurrent theme from you in this thread.
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    You can't tell the difference?
     
  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Nooooo

    From MY post

    Emphasis not in the original post

    There are to many oddballs to list them all so instead of trying to list them all and being accused of leaving out some particular oddball I thought I would use a generic term to cover them ALL

    It's a better way to allow you to pick your own group of who you think are oddball and to concoct your own senerios without being spoon-fed mine

    The point should stick more firmly in your mind after you learn and are not mearly taught

    More from MY post

    Think of the oddballs who would seek to exploit the freedom to choose their gender

    I will name one type of oddball

    paedophile

    who would be on the top of my list

    Hope that clarifies my stand and answers your concerns

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  18. Capracus Registered Senior Member

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    Other than peace of mind, what else do you imagine is gained in the freedom to choose one’s gender? And unless society backs your choice, you’re simply making life harder on yourself.

    How would a pedophile use gender choice to their advantage?
     
  19. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    As I understand it around 2% of the population have genuine problems with their gender assignment

    Help from experts in the field help those with genuine problems to come to their own decision about which gender they wish to be known as

    Society does not get a look in

    The experts will also provide them with the tools to cope with problems they will confront in the world outside of the understanding experts

    Anybody else want to comment on this which should be very obvious?

    If no one comments I will respond later

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  20. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Ordinary men make extraordinary claims regarding the character and requirements of supernatural beings who are said to exist outside the observable world.
    Some of these men wear elaborate dresses and ridiculous headgear and declare themselves infallible. Billions of people believe them without demanding any evidence whatsoever.
    Religion is never measured against reality, yet is completely normal.

    Other ordinary people make ordinary statements regarding their own experience of actual, observable self, and are considered delusional.

    Bathrooms are practical and relatively cheap to build. Cathedrals and mosques are impractical and expensive.
    Go, figure.
     
  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    True

    I would call all those who claim and those who believe delusional

    True

    The believers ask for no evidence

    Correct

    Religion is considered normal

    The beliefs are delusional

    If you are referring to the 2% of the population who have genuine concerns about their gender identity I can assure you no one in the field would call them delusional

    Sorry I have no idea of what I am supposed to figure from that section of post

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  22. Capracus Registered Senior Member

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    The experts? Who are these experts that will decide how broad the definition of gender will be? In a free society anyone should have the option to explore a given gender role if they are so inclined. If society is not accepting of the wants and desires of these individuals, their explorations will not end well. So yes, in this matter, just as all others, society will have a big say in how this all goes down.
    Female nuns transitioning to male priests so they can molest alter boys?
     
  23. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know their names but most of them would be concentrated in a very broad medical field

    I doubt you would find any in the Master Builders Union

    Of course

    A male (allegedly a male) leaving the court decides (s)he wants to explore his(r) feminine side

    See how that flies

    So no they won't

    There will be some small portion of the population, as there currently is now, who will cry doom and gloom, the sky is falling blah blah blah while most of the population could not care less

    I would not have classified s female nuns as a pedophile but I guess there may be some out there

    But also we are NOT talking about transitioning

    Mearly talking about self allocation

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