Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy and the origin of Intelligence?

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Would Intelligence begin in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy?

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  2. Yes

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  3. I would tend to think so at least????

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  1. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    This forum has been around since 2000 or so......
    when these discussions are read again by others a decade or so from now.......
    you may be surprised who is by then known to be less than so well informed.
     
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Only if the forum switches completely to woo-mongers and believers would I be surprised. They're the only ones that will lend you any credence.
    Fortunately those posters who know, and respect, science (and this is, nominally, a science forum) won't be taken in by the nonsense you espouse.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you're not the first to dream that you will be vindicated some time in the future, when world is ready for your advanced thinking. Write4U has been fantasizing that for years.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for the correction on the nature of the "illusion".
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    • There are separate threads dedicated to the matters raised in this post. Please post on topic. Do not spam.
    And justly so. I make no claims about having any part in the discovery of these natural phenomona, I merely draw attention to these burgeoning areas of scientific inquiry.

    And our current vaccinations are based on bacterial and viral "quorum sensing", as are areas of robotics.
    "Microtubule" research is expanding at an exponential . ORCH OR and IIT are very much in current research in neuro science

    Abstract
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S0006350906050186

    A artificial computer based on MT principles would be called an Artificial Intelligence. In nature that would be called Natural "Intelligence"

    p.s. anyone who wants to know more about MT, do refer to;
    Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

    p.s. It is still relegated to the sub-forum "pseudoscience", but I am confident there will come a time it will be recognized as an important area of serious scientific research. And I suspect that time is very near. There are now thousand of researchers and formal papers on the function and importance of MT in the world of Eukaryotic organisms.
     
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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Reported as spamming. Please review your Moderator warnings.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Bye bye.........
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Whew! Finally.

    :Fighting misinformation one thread at a time:
     
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  12. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Based on my first reading of this article......
    I am even rather hopeful that there is a paragraph or two in here that I can use later on........
    maybe?????

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/einsteins-greatest-blunder/

    Einstein's Greatest Blunder?
    He abandoned the idea of a static, nonexpanding universe in 1929—but some physicists are beginning to reconsider it

     
  13. river

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    The evidence of an expanding Universe was really strong , at the time .

    Now some are beginning to question this .
     
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  14. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for this....... I honestly did not know that this was happening?!

    Wow?????!!!!

    I tend to lean away from the idea of a "static universe/ Multiverse" but my reasoning is based on philosophy and parapsychology and pseudoscience?!

    If you are really bored and wanted to research "18 Planes of Existence, Rabbi Nachman" you would hit one of the articles that has me leaning toward Bosonic String Theory as opposed to M-Theory.
     
  15. river

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    The expansion of space is fundamentally by the magnetic field . And the magnetic field is based on , the physical .

    No magnetic field can exist , without the physical .
     
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  16. river

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    The Greater the Energy , Galaxies , Quasars etc . Heat . The larger the magnetic field is .
     
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  17. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Why would this post be considered spamming?

    I actually invited Write4U to this discussion that I began because I had read his other discussion and I thought that there was a possible connection??????

    I personally don't have the technical jargon to explain the connection......
    but I thought that the connection was likely there?????

    I ran into the idea of something that sounded like microtubules in an article on String Theory that I believe I quoted in post number two on page one.

    Could not the idea of "microtubules" be roughly equal to the hosepipe postulated by Oskar Klein?
     
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  18. river

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    Is microtubules thinking wrong ? Completely .
     
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  19. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    It sure reminded me of the "hosepipe" idea from Oskar Klein?????
     
  20. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    You really smart people seem to be awfully hard on each other over what could be considered somewhat similar sounding ideas???????
     
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  21. river

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    Why ?
     
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I think this may explain.

    'Philosophy as bloodsport' redux
    https://www.sfu.ca/~swartz/blood_sport.htm

    This sport is quite prominent on this site. The above is an example.

    p.s. I like your cognition of spontaneous self-assembly in nature. IMO, it is essential to the dynamics of evolutionary processes.

    p.p.s. river
    I never claimed that microtubules think. They process data at fundamental energy levels.
    My claim is that consciousness emerges from MT (neural) networks and that this concept is supported and researched by many serious scientists, including Roger Penrose.
     
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  23. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I have noticed that strangely vehement arguments can occur over what looks or sounds like rather similar terminology.

    Write4U is correct in post number seventy nine .... any idea that may seem to set the stage for anything resembling "philosophy" seems to scare or offend a high percentage of people

     

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