Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy and the origin of Intelligence?

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Would Intelligence begin in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy?

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  2. Yes

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  3. I would tend to think so at least????

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, that's science fiction. There is no evidence other than anecdotal narratives of personal experiences, which can never be duplicated.

    There is not a single verifiable account that someone was resurrected from being braindead. If they are resurrected then they were near-dead but not ever fully brain dead. What happens in brain death is that brain cells experience catastrophic disassembly, which cannot be repaired.

    Outside the brain there is no known medium that is able to generate controlled hallucinations as Anil Seth posits.

    Wait, there is such a thing as a "fata morgana", but that phenomenon is well understood and has nothing to do with conscious sentience.

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    https://www.farmersalmanac.com/fata-morgana-mirage-28630
     
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  3. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Is it "science fiction" or does the idea of there being Intelligences out there in outer space......
    or more likely in "Invisible Dimensions" scare us?


    The fact that the most fundamental most basic types of energy would operate at "some trillion" times the energy that can be generated in a particle accelerator would tend to imply that those more ancient Intelligences would probably be so far advanced beyond us humans that we would be like parrots or chimpanzees or crows in comparison to them. (For the record parrots, chimpanzees and crows are quite creative and intelligent relatively speaking).




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    Richard Dawkins Ph.D.'s comments on life perhaps developing in outer space somewhere and perhaps being somehow taken to the earth is quite good....... but postulating the development of Intelligence in higher invisible dimensions as postulated in String Theory is an even more logical next step.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No. religious people are scared of the "afterlife". They are the ones praying for salvation.

    OTOH, atheists realize that after death there is nothing to be afraid of, nothing at all.
    So, atheists aren't afraid of death, we love life and want it to last as long as possible, that's only natural.
    The survival instinct is hardwired in all living organisms. It is a part of the definition of being a living organism.
    That's how some living organisms have escaped "natural selection" and some not.
    Actually some 95 % of all living things that have ever lived are now extinct. Were was that savior race for all those innocent souls?
     
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  7. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    The existence of what appears to be some sort of higher dimensional RECORDING for every moment of our lives is evidence that perhaps we are living in a Multiverse and perhaps at some time in the future the injustices of what we think of as the past may well be addressed..... in a new time line.. .that could theoretically be spun off from any moment in the past????

    If you are interested just do a search for "Life Review near death experiences" and lots of articles should come up.

    https://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/fulltext/S1364-6613(19)30312-2

     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If you are interested, just do a search for Life Review after death experiences and no articles should come up.
    The point is that there are no After Death experiences, only Near Death experiences which can be explained by existing science.
     
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  9. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    You are still scared of the idea that perhaps some of these people were actually dead but......
    they encountered beings of such great technological capability that the greatest human scientists of 2021 would appear to be
    intellectual dwarfs in comparison.

    In a way..... .your fear is a sign of intelligence......
    this very real possibility is kind of scary......

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  10. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    See https://theintermind.com/#ConnectionPerspective
     
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  11. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    Yes very good.
     
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    Complexity is consciousness , awareness , knowledge , communication , language .
     
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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It shouldn't. String theory has nothing to say about conditions pre-Big Bang.

    Also, there's no accepted term "fundamental energy".
     
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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe so, but that image is not a fata morgana (despite the almanac caption.) It is a false horizon.

    Read this article on the difference if you're interested. It actually references this exact image.

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  15. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    The term "fundamental energy" will soon be understood quite well as fear and bias against Energy from Quantum Vacuum decreases........
    frankly... a greater understanding of this topic would tend to increase how the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel dune buggy WAS NOT violating The Law of Thermodynamics.


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  16. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Yes......... complexity is various levels of consciousness.......
    that is my impression as well.
     
  17. river

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    Consciousness Evolves .
     
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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh Jeez, more schoolyard fear-mongering.

    OK. I think we' got your number. We'll take it from here. Thanks for playin'
     
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  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Drivel.
    Nonsense.
    Meyer was a deluded crank. As is the website, and its writers, you linked to.
     
  20. river

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    By whom ?

    Has any body shown him to be incorrect .? In Concept .
     
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  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Science.
     
  22. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    In my opinion ... .the judge who presided over his case risks going down in history as being corrupt...... but I am pretty sure that whoever convinced him to do that probably told him that the order was coming down from influential people????

    http://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/stanley-meyers-and-zero-point-energy.42388/

     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    But your opinion is, to an egregious extent, uninformed.
     
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