DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
Nailed it.
Fun Facts
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DaveC426913
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To make it abundantly clear, nobody is sabotaging anything. OceanHero's model of sponsoring cleanup via revenue from clickthroughs (which they openly declare for all who care to read) is a perfectly common and legit revenue model, employed my thousands of companies. There's nothing untoward about it, and the rest of the world is well aware of it.
This is Commerce 101. The money has to come from somewhere! OceanHero doesn't have a license to print money...
All that's happening here is a disabusment of Write4U's naivete - thinking that there is a such thing as a free lunch in today's commerce.
"If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold."
- Andrew Lewis
Again, this is not a bad thing; it's the just way capitalism is. Don't be a sucker.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
How does OceanHero work?
On average every 5 searches in OceanHero helps recover one plastic bottle.
https://oceanhero.today/about-us/how-it-works
If my surfing helps cleaning the oceans, I don't care about the financial structure.
Are you now claiming that the number + 60,670,668 bottles removed from our beaches is a lie? The organization is a scam?
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Then what is the problem? Is participating in this "scheme" beneficial or harmful to the world's oceans and beaches?
All you do is cast suspicions about the financial model used to earn, account for, and benefit the effort to be environmentally responsible.
No, it is my reaction to your response to a post in "Fun Facts" sub-forum. It's called "spoilsport".
A sucker for doing what? Participating in a good thing? This program doesn't even allow for private donations. Nobody gets scammed.
Now do you understand why you make me sick? It is your callous disregard for Nature and the damage we inflict on ocean life by our wanton behaviors.
And don't tell me you care. Your priorities have been demonstrated.
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Well, that or he tries to change the subject. "Couldn't blindsight be, like, smelling something? Smell is the most important sense!" And nonsense like that.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Another "fun fact".......
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DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
The problem is that you are spreading misinformation out of ignorance.
But you are not participating. You said so.
And it's not a "scheme" (that's a strawman). It is
Then you have failed, once again, to read and comprehend. I cast no "suspicions". (That's another strawman.)
This is what I said:
Once, again: you are not participating. You said so.
Who said anything about getting scammed? (Another Strawman.)
I do. I shine a light on your naivete, and lack of comprehension of things you copy-paste. That's got to be embarrassing.
I have shown no callous diseregard for Nature. (Yet another strawman.)
I haven't said anything negative about OceanHero. Once again:
What I care about, here on this forum, is the spreading of misinformaiton due to ignorance. That hurts the world. Stop doing that.
P.S. The fact that you have erected no less than four independent strawmen in the same post is an indication that you have no actual complaint, so you have to make your own things up and then attack them. "scheme" is your word, "suspicion" is your word, "scam" is your word, "callous disregard for nature", your words. None of these things apply to anything I've said (and you would know this if you bothered to read before posting.) So you attack yourself, and in doing so, look the fool.
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Write4U
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Is helping participating? It is you who brought up the monetary aspects, not the participating aspects.
According to OH records (as shown on my screen), I have now earned 738 removals of plastic and it hasn't cost me a penny.
Now that makes me feel good, whereas your obsession with fraud and capitalism makes me sick.
Apparently, you do not understand the term "not-for-profit corporation", which is not a capitalist enterprise.
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DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
"Fraud". A fifth strawman. I have said nothing about fraudulence.
My obsession is with spreading of ignorance. It hurts the world.
That feeling is the realization that you've made a fool of yourself, by once again:
- stating something that is not true, because
- you didn't bother to read before copy-pasting, and
- doubling-down on your ignorance,
- instead of simply saying "Oopsie! My bad!"
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
I am not? Where did I say so?
I am participating by running the Ocean Hero search engine and according to them, I am productive, as shown by their counting system of shells.
You can twist and bastardize all you want. I feel good about it and recommend it to all who have an interest in conservation.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Ignorance about what? Nature conservation?
And here you have just engaged in a classic case of thread hijacking to satisfy your own emotional needs.
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
Oh my God. And you have a short memory too. I have said what your mistake was about a dozen times now.
Please reread this page of threads before posting more dumb stuff.
Start here:
My God can't you see the man has SHELLS!!
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
My mistake was hoping to find a sympathetic ear instead of ridicule and ad hominem.
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DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
To be absolutely clear, originally you were neither ridiculed nor ad hommed at all, let alone for anything to do with OceanHero.
You thought you were saving the world just by using the browser (post 21). All I did was point out their business model did not support that in post 22. That's it.
Absolutely everything that followed - from post 23 to post 56 and counting - has been entirely because you were - and are historically - utterly incapable of acknowledging when you make an error, and, historically, double-down on your errors, despite being shown when and where you made the error.
That's all on you.
I think you crave attention, even if it's negative attention.
When something is pointed out that you didn't know, try saying "Oh. I didn't know that."
That would have saved 33 posts of you acting foolish and having a cathartic meltdown, and us having to point it out to you.
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Pinball1970
Valued Senior Member
I'm intrigued, how does it work? How does a search or clicking on an Ad remove a bottle?
Who removes them?
I sent the link to our sustainability team.
Too tricky to open on this device.
Who removes them?
I sent the link to our sustainability team.
Too tricky to open on this device.
Are they really claiming that once in every 5 searches, a user will click through on an ad? And does clicking through on one ad result in OceanHero being paid enough to fund the recovery of one plastic bottle?
It sounds unlikely to me.
Are you making sure you click through on the ads?
Did you even read to the end of that "how it works" page?
If you don't click on the ad links, OceanHero doesn't get money as a result of your searches.OceanHero said:
Really, is this so hard for you to understand?
How many times do you think it will need to be explained to you, before you understand how and when it works?
That's a lot of bottles. Over what time period were these bottles collected?
What did you do to check that the claimed number of bottles is legitimate?
DaveC426913
Valued Senior Member
From the FAQ:
Like any other search engine, OceanHero makes money by showing ads
1. Every time you search for something, OceanHero will show you ads relevant to your search request. These ads are typically displayed above and below your search results.
2. Whenever you click on one of these ads, OceanHero receives a share of the price which the advertisers pay in order to show their ads. (Please note that clicking on many ads intentionally, it does not help us, as advertisers realize that this was done intentionally and they then penalize us.)
3. Fifty percent of OceanHero's generated profits are then used to help saving the oceans.
(They are, by the way, a for-profit organization, which means that other 50% goes straight into their pockets.)
Some money from searches is finding its way to The Plastic Bank, the organization actually doing the cleaning,
Kind of funny how OceanHero gets all the glory, while Plastic Bank does all the work.
It would be awesome if we could clean up the planet by surfing the web. But it's a bit more complicated than that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit/comments/j6r3g7/isitbullshit_ocean_hero_collects_plastic_for/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit/comments/j6r3g7/isitbullshit_ocean_hero_collects_plastic_for/
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Apparently the Plasticbank does
Yes, Ocean Hero is a search engine that allows access to a wide audience and has search counting ability.
And it does have an excellent ocean life photo library, free to download.
