Evolution [Debate Proposal]

spuriousmonkey said:
Exactly, you are an idiot.

What's an enzyme? It's a protein (sometimes with additional elements). How is a protein made?

Wait I would like to stop you there. Don't edit your post!
 
Muslim said:
Look please stop making a fool out of yourself at whichever particular instant, all of the work being done inside any cell is being done by enzymes. If you comprehend enzymes, you comprehend cells. A bacterium like E. coli has about 1,000 diverse types of enzymes floating around in the cytoplasm at whichever particular point in time. Enzymes have tremendously interesting properties that make them little chemical-reaction machines. The purpose of an enzyme in a cell is to permit the cell to transmit out chemical reactions very rapidly. These reactions permit the cell to construct things or take things apart as required. This is how a cell grows and reproduces. At the most fundamental level, a cell is actually a little bag full of chemical reactions that are made achievable by enzymes! And that is not evolution, its chemical reactions.

That is pretty true, which contradicts your previous statement about evolution and chemicle reactions being different.

Biology is just applied chemistry, there is chemistry behind everything that is alive.

BTW i was abent for a while waiting for a debate to start.

And why go to another forum. Are you affraid of the intelligence of the people here like S Monkey?

If you want a debate then like minded people will support me and like mindeed peopl (if there were any) will support you.
 
Muslim said:
Nicely done. Just what I expected from an 'Atheist' marvelous.

Muslim for the record I am not an atheist but an agnostic, guess that must have gone over-your-head ;)
 
Muslim said:
Wait I would like to stop you there. Don't edit your post!

People don't generally (with the acception of you ) edit posts to cover their tracks. I don't think that there is anything to be ashamed of about suggesting an enzyme is a protein. It is
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Exactly, you are an idiot.

What's an enzyme? It's a protein (sometimes with additional elements). How is a protein made?

You have undoubtedly heard of DNA, chromosome and genes. DNA guide the cell in its construction of new enzymes.
The DNA in a cell is actually just a blueprint made up of four diverse parts, called nucleotides or bases. Envisage a set of blocks that has only four diverse shapes, or an alphabet that has only four diverse lettering. DNA is a long string of blocks or lettering. In an E. coli cell, the DNA blueprint is about 4 million blocks lengthy. If you were to extend out this solitary stand of DNA, it would be 1.36 mm long -- pretty extensive taking into account the bacteria itself is 1,000 times smaller. In micro organisms, the DNA strand is like a wadded up ball of twine. Visualize taking 1,000 feet of extremely thin thread and wadding it up - you could easily hold it in your hand. [A human's DNA is about 3 billion blocks long, or almost 1,000 times longer than an E. coil’s. Human DNA is so long that the wadded up approach does not work. as a substitute, human DNA is securely wrapped into 23 or 24 structures although am not sure I think its 23. Anyway it’s called chromosomes to pack it more firmly and fit it inside a cell.
The amazing thing about DNA is this: DNA is zilch more than a guide that tells the cell how to make its proteins! That is all that DNA does. The 4 million bases in an E. coli cell's DNA advice the cell how to make the 1,000 or so enzymes that an E. coli cell needs to live its life. A gene is merely a section of DNA that acts as a guide to form an enzyme.
Anyone that suggests that all this happens randomly and not in a process is crazy. That is the problem; something had to create all this intelligently designed mapping and instruction.
 
alexb123 said:
Muslim for the record I am not an atheist but an agnostic, guess that must have gone over-your-head ;)

You're all the same. intellectual wannabees.
 
Pi-Sudoku said:
That is pretty true, which contradicts your previous statement about evolution and chemicle reactions being different.

Biology is just applied chemistry, there is chemistry behind everything that is alive.

BTW i was abent for a while waiting for a debate to start.

And why go to another forum. Are you affraid of the intelligence of the people here like S Monkey?

If you want a debate then like minded people will support me and like mindeed peopl (if there were any) will support you.


OK lets start over in a new topic? we ignore all other posts.
 
Muslim said:

For fucks sake, we are having a debate HERE IN THIS FORUM. why are you constantly running away. Is it because your posts are being discredited or because you want to get away from the people you refer to as "Intelectual Wannabies".

NewsFlash: These people ARE intellectuals and some other people, like you are not even coming close.

Delete your other thread and debate with me here, amongst the sciforums intelectuals who are all redy for a good healthy debate on evolution.
 
muslim said:
Evolution is a myth not a fact. According to Darwin, there is a pitiless fight for continued existence and an everlasting clash in nature. The strong constantly conquer the fragile, and this enables progress to take place. The description he gave to his book The Origin of Species, "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life", encapsulates that vision.

Additionally, Darwin projected that the 'fight for survival' also applied among human ethnic groups. According to that claim, 'preferred races' were triumphant in the fight. preferred races, in Darwin's view, were white Europeans. African or Asian races had lagged behind in the fight for continued existence. Darwin went further, and recommended that these races would soon lose the "fight for survival" completely, and consequently vanish:

At some upcoming period, not very far-away as calculated by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost surely exterminate, and substitute the savage races throughout the globe. At the same time the anthropomorphosis apes… will no doubt be exterminated. The break amid man and his adjacent allies will then be wider, for it will arbitrate between man in a more civilised state, as we may expect, even than the Caucasian, and a number of ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.1



The Indian anthropologist Lalita Vidyarthi explains how Darwin's theory of evolution imposed racism on the social sciences see:

Lalita Prasad Vidyarthi, Racism, Science and Pseudo-Science, Unesco, France, Vendôme, 1983. p. 54

Materialist philosophy, which accepts only the existence of matter and presupposes man to be 'a heap of matter', asserts that he is no more than an animal, with 'clash' the solitary rule of his survival. Although propagated as a contemporary philosophy based on science, materialism is in fact an ancient doctrine with no scientific foundation. Conceived in Ancient Greece, the doctrine was rediscovered by the atheistic philosophers of the 18th century. It was then entrenched in the 19th century into some science disciplines by thinkers such as Karl Marx, Charles Darwin and Sigmund Freud. In other words science was distorted to make room for materialism.

Most people believe everything they hear from scientists as strictly factual. It does not even arise to them that scientists may also have diverse idealistic or ideological prejudices. The fact of the matter is that evolutionist scientists enforce their own prejudices and philosophical views on the community beneath the guise of science. For example, although they are aware that arbitrary events do not cause anything other than indiscretion and perplexity, they still claim that the awe-inspiring order, map, and plan seen both in the cosmos and in living organisms arise by probability.

For example, such a biologist effortlessly grasps that there is a remarkable synchronization in a protein molecule, the structure block of life, and that there is no probability that this might have come about by probability. Nonetheless, he alleges that this protein came into survival under primitive earth circumstances by chance billions of years ago. He does not end there; he also claims, without vacillation, that not only one, but millions of proteins formed by chance and then astonishingly came together to create the first living cell. Furthermore, he defends his view with canopy obstinacy. This human being is an "evolutionist" scientist.

If the identical scientist were to discover 3 bricks resting on top of one another while walking along a flat road, he would never suppose that these bricks had come together by probability and subsequently climbed up on top of each other, again by probability. Certainly, anybody who did make such a declaration would be considered insane.

How then can it be possible that persons who are able to gauge regular events logically can adopt such an illogical approach when it comes to thinking about their own existence?

I’ll let Pi-Sudoku, take it from here. I want to keep it short and snappy at the moment.




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I have already used bacteria as an example of evolution happening over a short period of time, the fact that the bacteria died during early trials removes any possibility that bacteria "learned" to be tolerant. Changes happened between generations. That is evidence of evolution.
Micro evolution fails to explain the existence of various biological elements that had to be whole as incremental steps cannot have produced the form they are in. So it would be a waste of time even debating on this issue. Just a note at whichever particular instant, all of the work being done inside any cell is being done by enzymes. If you comprehend enzymes, you comprehend cells. A bacterium like E. coli has about 1,000 diverse types of enzymes floating around in the cytoplasm at whichever particular point in time. Enzymes have tremendously interesting properties that make them little chemical-reaction machines. The purpose of an enzyme in a cell is to permit the cell to transmit out chemical reactions very rapidly. These reactions permit the cell to construct things or take things apart as required. This is how a cell grows and reproduces. At the most fundamental level, a cell is actually a little bag full of chemical reactions that are made achievable by enzymes! And that is not evolution, its chemical reactions.
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You may claim that God made animals adapted to their daily tasks but surely he can't be racing with human science to assist with disease
Let’s just leave god out of the debate. Also, this statement you have made is a hypothetical one.
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Otherwise there would be fossil evidence of modern creatures dating back to periods of time when we have evidence of life such as dinosours.
Evidence of dinosaurs? There is no evidence of dinoursrous, no one had found a full skeleton of a dinosaur. For all we know they could be bones of mammoths, there is not a fully formed skeleton of a dinourrs in any museum made of its original bones. Many of the skeletons bits are added to forum a dinoursour. I could go out find a undiscovered species of mammoth and claim it’s a dinirousur.





This debate has now started! I would ask all other members not to post in there, please post in the debate proposal thread if you want to discuss something. I would also appreciate it, if others did not give out tips to Pi or me, as I want to keep this balanced. He is an expert of evolution and he is going to be defending the theory, I don't want others to help him or me.

I have brought together all of muslims posts and we can now start a debate.
 
Pi-Sudoku said:
For fucks sake, we are having a debate HERE IN THIS FORUM. why are you constantly running away. Is it because your posts are being discredited or because you want to get away from the people you refer to as "Intelectual Wannabies".

NewsFlash: These people ARE intellectuals and some other people, like you are not even coming close.

Delete your other thread and debate with me here, amongst the sciforums intelectuals who are all redy for a good healthy debate on evolution.

So you can get all your Atheist buddies to back your lies up and make you feel good about yourself?

Post in the other topic, I don't see what the big deal is this is the proposal topic. Its not even meant for debating. If you don't post in that thread, in 3 days then I win by no show! those are the rules you agreed on.
 
Pi and everyone else you are wasting your time with this narrow-minded idiot, he will never believe anything that comes from the qu'ran yet breaks the rules when it suits him, like in the baccardi incident. what an idiot, and a complete waste of time
 
jax0509 said:
Pi and everyone else you are wasting your time with this narrow-minded idiot, he will never believe anything that comes from the qu'ran yet breaks the rules when it suits him, like in the baccardi incident. what an idiot, and a complete waste of time

How does that have anything to do with the debate? if am a bad Muslim what does that have to do with SCIENCE? just goaway. You all know this Pi is going to lose.
 
jax0509 said:
i dont think anyone could lose against you muslim

Yeah, thats why you and all the Atheist are trying so hard to hijack the debate? and thats why the Atheist boy doesn't want a proper debate? I am not backing out from anyone. I know I have evidence to support my claims.
 
muslim said:
Originally Posted by muslim
Evolution is a myth not a fact. According to Darwin, there is a pitiless fight for continued existence and an everlasting clash in nature. The strong constantly conquer the fragile, and this enables progress to take place. The description he gave to his book The Origin of Species, "The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life", encapsulates that vision.

correct, a theory is not a fact unless it is proven (evolution hasn't been)
However it has not been disproven and usually a theory stands untill a better theory is suggestd (not one)
muslim said:
Additionally, Darwin projected that the 'fight for survival' also applied among human ethnic groups. According to that claim, 'preferred races' were triumphant in the fight. preferred races, in Darwin's view, were white Europeans. African or Asian races had lagged behind in the fight for continued existence. Darwin went further, and recommended that these races would soon lose the "fight for survival" completely, and consequently vanish:

I don't think there is much evidence that race has helped or hindered humans much so far but it is very possible that wiuth changing surroundings one race may prove to have an advantage.

muslim said:
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Micro evolution fails to explain the existence of various biological elements that had to be whole as incremental steps cannot have produced the form they are in. So it would be a waste of time even debating on this issue. Just a note at whichever particular instant, all of the work being done inside any cell is being done by enzymes. If you comprehend enzymes, you comprehend cells. A bacterium like E. coli has about 1,000 diverse types of enzymes floating around in the cytoplasm at whichever particular point in time. Enzymes have tremendously interesting properties that make them little chemical-reaction machines. The purpose of an enzyme in a cell is to permit the cell to transmit out chemical reactions very rapidly. These reactions permit the cell to construct things or take things apart as required. This is how a cell grows and reproduces. At the most fundamental level, a cell is actually a little bag full of chemical reactions that are made achievable by enzymes! And that is not evolution, its chemical reactions.

Evolution is linked to life Life = chemicle reactions
Biology is just chemistry
muslim said:
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Let’s just leave god out of the debate. Also, this statement you have made is a hypothetical one.

Ok, i'll leave out god but if we are leaving out god then what opposition is there to evolution. You need an alternative theory muslim

muslim said:
Evidence of dinosaurs? There is no evidence of dinoursrous, no one had found a full skeleton of a dinosaur. For all we know they could be bones of mammoths, there is not a fully formed skeleton of a dinourrs in any museum made of its original bones. Many of the skeletons bits are added to forum a dinoursour. I could go out find a undiscovered species of mammoth and claim it’s a dinirousur.

In that case how come we have several copies of the same bones.
Dinosour bones have been carbon dated to over 200 million years ago and there are no human bones from that long ago. The exact form of dinosours is probablyt not totally accurate but go to the natural history museum and tell them that the dinousour bones are fakes, see how far that gets you



muslim said:
This debate has now started! I would ask all other members not to post in there, please post in the debate proposal thread if you want to discuss something. I would also appreciate it, if others did not give out tips to Pi or me, as I want to keep this balanced. He is an expert of evolution and he is going to be defending the theory, I don't want others to help him or me.

Wow!
I have never claimed to be an expert on evolution and i value the input of other members, that is what a forum is all about.

I will defend the theory and have sufficient knowledge to compete with who,who clearly has no knowledge of anything.




 
Evidence of dinosaurs? There is no evidence of dinoursrous, no one had found a full skeleton of a dinosaur.
Since when a full skeleton is a requirement for saying that there was an entire animal? If someone finds a head of a felid, all we can say is that there was this head, but we can´t state that there was a body for that since none was found attached to it?


For all we know they could be bones of mammoths
lol

No.

Have you ever actually seen the bones of mammoths and of a dinosaur?


there is not a fully formed skeleton of a dinourrs in any museum made of its original bones. Many of the skeletons bits are added to forum a dinoursour. I could go out find a undiscovered species of mammoth and claim it’s a dinirousur.
You could, but no one would believe, except idiots. You would made yourself a fool.

How come scientists themselves claim and prove that a certain fossil specimen were not legitimate, but in fact a mixture of other species? Why this is done in only some cases, not in all of them, or in none of them, or only by creationists?
 
we 'atheist' buddies are not ganging up on you. you have simply made a hypothesis so stupid that no-one else will back you up
 
Muslim said:
So you can get all your Atheist buddies to back your lies up and make you feel good about yourself?


IF yoy weren't an idiot you would know what the word Atheist meant, it means somebosy who doesn't believe. and that includes not believing lies
 
could someone more informed than me say if this image is of a actual fossilized nearly entire T. rex, or if it´s a reconstitution of how dinos and other animais are usually found fossilized? The site where I found it is in some language which even the characters are different
 
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