Evidence that God is real

spidergoat said:
I would expect such an awesomely important book, literally the missives of the creator of the universe itself to have a little more clarity than a repair manual for an '72 Jeep CJ-5.
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Can you imagine trying to fix a Jeep with a book written like that?

"Thou shalt torque the nut on the steering arm to 110 cubits per dinar."
"Neither a torquer or a loosener shall thou be."
"I am the Light and the Way; no jeep returns to service other than through my Book."
"Though jeeps may change, not one jot or tittle of the '68 service manual shall thou pass until all has been put right."
"Anyone who uses a torque wrench shall be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
"And then David returned to the village. And the people there said 'David! What hast thou done about the steering arm on thy jeep?" And David spoke, saying 'question not the torque on the steering arm nut. If the steering arm offends thee, cast it off; for what will it benefit you to have your steering arm if you are not in the graces of the Service Department of the Almighty Dealer?' "
 
gamelord said:
I am told, that the Flood is in ancient Aztec, Mayan, and other cultures throughout the world. So some things in the Bible may be true, but distorted. For example, Yahweh may not actually exist as the Bible implies, or exists and is a bad person.
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There are many flood stories...where I like to live up North has them. .not as old as the bible but for country folk it is a very memorable event.
Only two things happen...floods and fires and each take on exaggeration as the years go by...

The biblical account is clearly from two authors as Billvon points out.

I bet what really happened was Noah was a farmer (600 moons old) and he probably had a small barge that he would carry animals from one side of the river to the other perhaps a couple of goats and a donkey..whatever but you can see where I am going with this... and at some point on one of his routine crossing to get to the summer pasture or bringing them back got caught in a local flood and ended up down river some place and happy to have survived...and the humans who died if any at all were perhaps a few from the flats that got caught in the flood...Such an event would have been told and retold and as campfire stories go with each telling and each different storyteller grow ... and at some point the story came back via two authors much grander than the actual event....heck I have sat and listened to mates telling about some adventure that I was involved in and have sat there thinking why cant I have fun like that...and I was there thru it... such was the exciting way they grew the story...I happened into the pub once where one of the young guys was telling of a night I beat this pretender in an arm wrestle..."And you should have seen Alex he came out like a raging bull and he looked this bloke in the eye and roared at him that he didn't come out of retirement to waste time on pretenders like him the guy went white and Alex near broke his arm...wow I thought, I am legend in my own lunch time.... that's how stories go.

Heck when you get cut off when there is a flood it seems the whole world is under...up my way you can drive around and it is everywhere you go and you can go that far...back when one walked everywhere what impression would one form.

And I expect if you look at many of the bible stories they would have been told around camp fires for ages..told and retold...the irony is folk from this modern era take them as fact and perfect accounts....and so if the little pub survives a century and my story is still told I expect I will be fighting a biker gang with one hand behind my back and if a believer is telling the story no doubt an angel will be flying overhead

alex
 
Michael 345 said:
Flood myths are common across a wide range of cultures, extending back into Bronze Ageand Neolithic prehistory. These accounts depict a flood, sometimes global in scale, usually sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution.
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But they aren't the Flood - the capitalized F one, with Noah and the Ark and the rainbow and so forth. They differ in key details, including time and place and duration and extent and who survived and how they survived and so forth.
Destroying all civilization as an act of divine retribution against humanity for sin is not that common a feature, for example.
Michael 345 said:
Anything in this listing?
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Nothing relevant from the Aztec or Mayan, as noted - those myths are quite different from the Flood. It's a long list -
Which ones were you thinking of, as resembling the Flood?
Musika said:
Of which you've provided neither.
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There is no evidence for a claim of no evidence.
As far as argument - look at the supposed evidence provided for the claim of a universal myth. We've seen it before, remember?
 
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iceaura said:
But they aren't the Flood - the capitalized F one, with Noah and the Ark and the rainbow and so forth. They differ in key details, including time and place and duration and extent and who survived and how they survived and so forth.
Destroying all civilization as an act of divine retribution against humanity for sin is not that common a feature, for example.

Nothing relevant from the Aztec or Mayan, as noted - those myths are quite different from the Flood. It's a long list -
Which ones were you thinking of, as resembling the Flood?

There is no evidence for a claim of no evidence.
As far as argument - look at the supposed evidence provided for the claim of a universal myth. We've seen it before, remember?
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Never encountered marginalized or recontextualized interpretations of the flood by christians?
It's ironic that you rant about practically anyone who disageees with you about religion being an overt "abrahamic" yet you take it upon yourself to be a so called personal authority on one. Is there anything available to discussion that doesn't demand all participants esteem your swagger upon a pedestal?
 
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Musika said:
Never encountered marginalized or recontextualized interpretations of the flood by christians?
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Sure. But we have the Flood myth written down, so there it is.
Musika said:
It's ironic that you rant about practically anyone who disageees with you about religion being an overt "abrahamic"
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I don't. Just you guys. And I don't rant about that - just label. The ranting comes in elsewhere - such as with my repeatedly pointing to your posting of misrepresentation for personal disparagement in lieu of anything else - as you kindly illustrate.
Musika said:
yet you take it upon yourself to be a so called personal authority on one.
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I'm also a personal authority on the traditional color of the sky - it's traditionally blue. Imagine my ego!
 
iceaura said:
Sure. But we have the Flood myth written down, so there it is.
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There it is to be marginalized and recontextualized, to be specific.

I'm also a personal authority on the traditional color of the sky - it's traditionally blue. Imagine my ego!
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When you radically depart from subjects as unremarkable as sky colour, no artistry is required.
 
iceaura said:
And compared with other myths, as here.
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Epistemologically speaking, if one fault was sufficient to sink a ship, nothing would float.
Or to grant you the greatest charity, there is a huge difference between problematizing a claim at the periphery and doing the same to the core.
Post hoc is as post hoc does.
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
I have a genuine need to know why folk accept this God thing with nothing to go on....they would you could expect have a reason but I cant find one.

It seems like they fear death and hell and want to place a bet on the after life story just in case.
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i have a very clear theory however i am not sure i wish to share right now or here as i think it may be a little off topic and derail the thread.
noting, maybe the nature of what i read in your post is a new thread
"what possible reason for god?"
that tends to rattle thiests a tad i note hence part of my reluctance in elaborating.
and noting JamesR comment on the 1st page about thread jacking or thread killing etc.
 
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