Evidence that God is real

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Can you imagine trying to fix a Jeep with a book written like that?

    "Thou shalt torque the nut on the steering arm to 110 cubits per dinar."
    "Neither a torquer or a loosener shall thou be."
    "I am the Light and the Way; no jeep returns to service other than through my Book."
    "Though jeeps may change, not one jot or tittle of the '68 service manual shall thou pass until all has been put right."
    "Anyone who uses a torque wrench shall be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    "And then David returned to the village. And the people there said 'David! What hast thou done about the steering arm on thy jeep?" And David spoke, saying 'question not the torque on the steering arm nut. If the steering arm offends thee, cast it off; for what will it benefit you to have your steering arm if you are not in the graces of the Service Department of the Almighty Dealer?' "
     
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  3. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    I am told, that the Flood is in ancient Aztec, Mayan, and other cultures throughout the world. So some things in the Bible may be true, but distorted. For example, Yahweh may not actually exist as the Bible implies, or exists and is a bad person.
     
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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    There are many flood stories...where I like to live up North has them. .not as old as the bible but for country folk it is a very memorable event.
    Only two things happen...floods and fires and each take on exaggeration as the years go by...

    The biblical account is clearly from two authors as Billvon points out.

    I bet what really happened was Noah was a farmer (600 moons old) and he probably had a small barge that he would carry animals from one side of the river to the other perhaps a couple of goats and a donkey..whatever but you can see where I am going with this... and at some point on one of his routine crossing to get to the summer pasture or bringing them back got caught in a local flood and ended up down river some place and happy to have survived...and the humans who died if any at all were perhaps a few from the flats that got caught in the flood...Such an event would have been told and retold and as campfire stories go with each telling and each different storyteller grow ... and at some point the story came back via two authors much grander than the actual event....heck I have sat and listened to mates telling about some adventure that I was involved in and have sat there thinking why cant I have fun like that...and I was there thru it... such was the exciting way they grew the story...I happened into the pub once where one of the young guys was telling of a night I beat this pretender in an arm wrestle..."And you should have seen Alex he came out like a raging bull and he looked this bloke in the eye and roared at him that he didn't come out of retirement to waste time on pretenders like him the guy went white and Alex near broke his arm...wow I thought, I am legend in my own lunch time.... that's how stories go.

    Heck when you get cut off when there is a flood it seems the whole world is under...up my way you can drive around and it is everywhere you go and you can go that far...back when one walked everywhere what impression would one form.

    And I expect if you look at many of the bible stories they would have been told around camp fires for ages..told and retold...the irony is folk from this modern era take them as fact and perfect accounts....and so if the little pub survives a century and my story is still told I expect I will be fighting a biker gang with one hand behind my back and if a believer is telling the story no doubt an angel will be flying overhead

    alex
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You heard wrong.
    It is integral to the central claims of Christians.
     
  8. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Others beg to differ.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not with evidence or argument.
     
  10. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Of which you've provided neither.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    But they aren't the Flood - the capitalized F one, with Noah and the Ark and the rainbow and so forth. They differ in key details, including time and place and duration and extent and who survived and how they survived and so forth.
    Destroying all civilization as an act of divine retribution against humanity for sin is not that common a feature, for example.
    Nothing relevant from the Aztec or Mayan, as noted - those myths are quite different from the Flood. It's a long list -
    Which ones were you thinking of, as resembling the Flood?
    There is no evidence for a claim of no evidence.
    As far as argument - look at the supposed evidence provided for the claim of a universal myth. We've seen it before, remember?
     
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  13. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Never encountered marginalized or recontextualized interpretations of the flood by christians?
    It's ironic that you rant about practically anyone who disageees with you about religion being an overt "abrahamic" yet you take it upon yourself to be a so called personal authority on one. Is there anything available to discussion that doesn't demand all participants esteem your swagger upon a pedestal?
     
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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Sure. But we have the Flood myth written down, so there it is.
    I don't. Just you guys. And I don't rant about that - just label. The ranting comes in elsewhere - such as with my repeatedly pointing to your posting of misrepresentation for personal disparagement in lieu of anything else - as you kindly illustrate.
    I'm also a personal authority on the traditional color of the sky - it's traditionally blue. Imagine my ego!
     
  15. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    There it is to be marginalized and recontextualized, to be specific.

    When you radically depart from subjects as unremarkable as sky colour, no artistry is required.
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And compared with other myths, as here.
     
  17. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Epistemologically speaking, if one fault was sufficient to sink a ship, nothing would float.
    Or to grant you the greatest charity, there is a huge difference between problematizing a claim at the periphery and doing the same to the core.
    Post hoc is as post hoc does.
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Well one flaw is sufficient to sink a ship when you think about it.
    Alex
     
  19. Michael 345 Bali tonight Valued Senior Member

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    I was under the impression that from the details listed the ark could not have been built let alone survive being launched or survive afloat even with no animal cargo

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  20. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Only if it is integral to its structure or function. Which is probably just as well, if one insists on floating ships or ideas about knowledge.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes but it would still be singular therefore...
    Alex
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i have a very clear theory however i am not sure i wish to share right now or here as i think it may be a little off topic and derail the thread.
    noting, maybe the nature of what i read in your post is a new thread
    "what possible reason for god?"
    that tends to rattle thiests a tad i note hence part of my reluctance in elaborating.
    and noting JamesR comment on the 1st page about thread jacking or thread killing etc.
     
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  23. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, but not any old one.
    "Show me a faultless man and I will show you a fool", and so on ...
     

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