Could Jupiter become a second Sun?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Hermann, Sep 18, 2005.

  1. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Alright smarty,
    we have been through this before, since it is you who define what is fact, can you then give a assement of the condtions that would make jupiter become as a star.

    I belive also you rejection was to my inference that many satilites of jupiter where what we define as radioactive elements on earth. I have to assume that your concept is that such bodies are carbon, silicates or elements from the middle of periodic chart or isotpoes there of, such as iron ect.... I also have to assume that you think that uranium and other heavy atomic elements are not stable in the jupiter enviroment.
    As i understand it even asteroid fragments found in antartica have atomic elements not yet define, being in the posession of japan and the untied states.
    None the less i have to think that you discredit the attemps at various atomic facilities to create atoms and so have no beief in the existance or possible existance of them on other bodies in the solar system.

    So then it is clear that you would not have the understanding of such a event wherein a satilite composed of a heavier atomic mass that uranium could become nuclear causing a large detonation on juptier.

    Even so a equally distressing issuue is the event of a magnetic pole reversal for the planet Jupiter, as it appears that such a event would cause the planet jupiter to explode.

    at any rate please give us you scientific opinion, after all you do profess a lot of intelligence.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  3. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    ...Jupiter was ones a star significantly larger then the sun (at least 3 solar masses probably more). Altough you would have to go back 5 billion years.
    It's a bid like saying that the sahara is in Libie with the folowing up argument that it can be at other places to.
    But yes Jupiter was ones a star yust like the earth and you and me
     
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  5. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    That interesting that you say that, as i remember some telling me before about some type of cloud that surrounds are solar system, makeing it look like are solar system was passing through the remaints of a super nova ??

    do you think that at that time are system was a quintuplet system, adding jupiter and the alpha centauri system to our own.

    yes it sounds interesting, now i am wondering if our region of space fits the average for a formation of a quintuplet system.

    Good idea orcot

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  7. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Rabon, I do not know where you get all this except from your own badly distorted imagination! To begin with, there are absolutely NO asteroid fragements in the possession of Japan, the U.S. or ANY other country that contain elements that are "not yet defined!!" That's pure nonsense!! For about the 20th time show some PROOF of your outlandish assertations!

    Also, there is absolutely NO reason that a magnetic pole reversal would cause Jupiter to explode. That's even more nonsensical gibberish.

    And I also ask you again - when are you EVER going to bother learning some real scientific facts instead of making them up as you go along? :bugeye:

    Do you not even realize that people one-third your age know more about scientific things than you do????????
     
  8. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Get mental help read only

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  9. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I'm perfectly fine and normal, Rabon. You best take your OWN advice!!!

    Oh - and not able to show any proof of your statements, are you? (I already knew that you couldn't.)
     
  10. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    there are relative few quadruple-star system the closest to my knowledge would be delta capricorni at 39 LY. Anyway I believe our solar system is quit weird because it formed relativly calmly yet has a whole lot of mass. Calmly because it still has most of it's oort cloud something that chould be somewhat lacking if nearby stars came to close and mass because if you ignore the alpha century system our sun has more mas then the next 3 closests star systems together (barnard=17%/wolf=9%/lalande=46%)
    Our sun in most liklyhood never had a compagnion. And in all probalitlity never formed near the alpha centauri system our sun is over 4,5 billion year old and a orbit around the milky way is far more chaotic then on around a star, stars come closer and move apart and altough there probably formed more stars out of the same hydrogen cloud that our sun came out of, it's near imposeble to tell witch ones.
     
  11. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    addition

    Here are some stats from the Recons group, the stats i believe go out to 20 or so light years, give this information it seems you are right it is not likly a quintuplet stars event.

    The breakdown of objects can be summarized as:
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    2007.9
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    total objects 354
    systems 249
    companions 105

    singles 171
    doubles 58
    triples 14
    quadruples 5
    quintuples 1

    For questions or comments, please contact Dr. Todd J. Henry at thenry@chara.gsu.edu



    So perhaps Proxima was a star that once was sols companion, and it was captured by alpha centauri A and B stars. As i understand it Proxima is just one the edge of the ability for a A to hold it in orbit as if proxima was a new arrival, or just recently bound to alpha centauri A

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  12. blobrana Registered Senior Member

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    Just to add...

    This may be true.
    But, there have been a few studies (using isotope ratios, etc ) on ancient meteorites which indicate that they experienced shockwaves and exposure to a very close supernova just a few million years after the solar system was born.
    It seems that the sun grew up in a violent stellar nursery with at least one blowing up close by.
     
  13. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    I know that I would not want my email address advertised on an internet forum by a fantasy-land-dwelling raving crackpot, and I’m sure Dr. Henry is no different. I hope the mods will stop you from doing this again.
     
  14. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Ok Hercules rockfeller
    since your such a big shot, do you mind exsplaining the reason juptier will not become a second Sun.

    Or even address the issue regarding radioactive material existing as the compostion of jupiter satilites..

    better yet tell use about the organiztion of stars that prevents the possiblity that our solar system had a companion star.

    I would like to hear from quite a few of you at any rate because namely you act as if you version of the universe is the final say. what prevents you from sharing your knowledge with the rest of the world, after all your education was formed and nurtured by society you did not come to your ides by your self, so be the big shot that you profess and tell us a little, after all that you have gotten from society don't the dogs deserve a few scraps bid guy.

    really with all the feats of hercules, you could show us one, or where you tricked by atlas once again.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  15. draqon Banned Banned

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    Jupiter is way too small...even with nuclear explosions in it, it will not be enough for a Sun-like existence
     
  16. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    It's far too small!!

    Phooey! Let's see YOU adddress it with some PROOF and not just your own worthless words. :bugeye:
     
  17. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Honestly Read-only
    Thats just what your asking us to do is rely on your words.

    you say its to small, why should i believe that. not to be a skeptic or anything. my calculations as of present for juptier does not give it much hydorgen for fuel for that mater even helium exsiting at it s core, mostly boron. and just not quite enough beryllium. i also find as of current that juptier at its current postion should have a diameter of 24,000 miles, so i have to assume that is the diameter of its physical body, and that its atmosphereic diameter is 126,000 miles. jupiters current physcial atmosphere diameter is 88,600 miles, s its missing some 19,000 miles of atomsphere that it could have.
    if it lost that atmosphere in a magnetic pole reversal or burned it off changing from a small star to a gas giant is a question, under any event it remains a event of the past.

    so the Read Only is 126,000 mile diameter sufficent size as a star, is it possible that in the past juptier was a star that died and became a gas giant.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
  18. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Proof, Rabon, PROOF. Your words alone aren't worth anything to anyone!! (And that's all you seem to ever have - the universe acording to Rabon ALONE!!)
     
  19. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Well i guess that means you won't provide a awnser to weather 126,000 miles is suffcient to constitute a star.

    why so illusive of simple questions, i just ask you for your opinion.

    if you wany proof of radioactivity of jupiters satlite bodies ask nasa for a few pictures, make your own decisions as to weather or not the body is electrified of not to determine its radioactivity.
    don't ask me for more that alone is enough, appearantly something you could not figure out for your self. if you don't like that gift then do your own math.

    Read only, your words all you have. it is or was a discussion, disscussions are based on the use of words, i may have poor spelling but you lack words or proof. what about any group you can put togeather or even reference could provide proof, your on the other end of a phone line so all you can do is talk and have disscussion in the first place. i certainly will allow you to think and believe as you insist to believe. as certainly proof is up to you to define.

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     
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  20. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    No, Rabon. It was YOU who claimed there were unidentified elements found, that Jupiters' moons are radioactive, etc., etc.

    Since YOU made the claims, it's up to YOU to prove they are true - not for me to have to go and find.

    So where IS the proof of your statements? Show it to us!!!
     
  21. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    Its clear you do not have the skill to find such out for your self, i have nothing to prove, it is just a mere inference.

    I just assume that you have no understanding of theroical atomic chemistry, you project that there is no such possiblity that a nuclear detonation would destroy jupiter turning it into a star for a breif period. if you believe that its fine with me.

    so i just asked you if 126,000 miles was suffcient diameter to consitute a star.

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  22. draqon Banned Banned

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    For the fusion reactions to occur, the temperature in the jupiter's core must reach at least three million kelvins. And because core temperature rises with gravitational pressure, the planet must have a minimum mass: about 75 times the mass of the planet Jupiter
     
  23. DwayneD.L.Rabon Registered Senior Member

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    So then at a diameter of 126,000 miles still not enough?

    DwayneD.L.Rabon
     

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