Atheists turn back to God?

[lightgigantic]

Because you havent in all this time showed any of it. Lets have the evidence then..

well we have had a few difficulties establishing a means how to do that amongst our atheistic intelligentsia here

so maybe just so we have an established means of determining how something is evidenced, perhaps you could establish how, say, atoms are evidenced to me (then I can follow the exact same means to establish the evidence in relation to god)

 

[Enmos]

well we have had a few difficulties establishing a means how to do that amongst our atheistic intelligentsia here

so maybe just so we have an established means of determining how something is evidenced, perhaps you could establish how, say, atoms are evidenced to me (then I can follow the exact same means to establish the evidence in relation to god)

Are you denying the Atomic Theory ?

 

[lightgigantic]

Are you denying the Atomic Theory ?

not really

the question is more simple than that

suppose I don't know anything about atoms - well lets be specific and say electrons

how would you propose to evidence to me that "electrons exist"

 

[Enmos]

not really

the question is more simple than that

suppose I don't know anything about atoms - well lets be specific and say electrons

how would you propose to evidence to me that "electrons exist"

I would propose you evidence it to yourself and buy some books on it. Im not your teacher.
Is this your way of avoiding to have to give your evidence of Gods existence ? Because i really dont care that much you know, do you WANT to prove him or not ?

 

[Cortex_Colossus]

Fascinating story.

Fascinating story indeed.

 

[lightgigantic]

I would propose you evidence it to yourself and buy some books on it. Im not your teacher.
Is this your way of avoiding to have to give your evidence of Gods existence ? Because i really dont care that much you know, do you WANT to prove him or not ?

at the moment we are just establishing how something is "evidenced"

so far, you have suggested that one "buys a book about it"

Do you want to elaborate a bit on that or do you think that its sufficient?

 

[Enmos]

at the moment we are just establishing how something is "evidenced"

so far, you have suggested that one "buys a book about it"

Do you want to elaborate a bit on that or do you think that its sufficient?

Sorry pal.. i should have realized before that its of no use talking to you..
Have a great day, oh and try not to be too stupid & arrogant today.

 

[(Q)]

not really

the question is more simple than that

suppose I don't know anything about atoms - well lets be specific and say electrons

how would you propose to evidence to me that "electrons exist"

Turn on a light switch.

 

[lightgigantic]

Sorry pal.. i should have realized before that its of no use talking to you..
Have a great day, oh and try not to be too stupid & arrogant today.

I would have thought that addressing the issue of how something is evidenced would be quite straight forward for a person making the claim that there is no evidence for god ....

Turn on a light switch.

given that the notion of an electron came about in the 1890's and that people were switching lights on and off since the early 1800's, why is it that it took them a hundred years of such switching?

 

[Enmos]

I would have thought that addressing the issue of how something is evidenced would be quite straight forward for a person making the claim that there is no evidence for god ....

Its because i dont care if you believe in God or not. Too much trouble for me to explain everything to you while you are not even listening.
Have a great day.

 

[(Q)]

given that the notion of an electron came about in the 1890's and that people were switching lights on and off since the early 1800's, why is it that it took them a hundred years of such switching?

You have no idea what you're talking about, and neither do I.

 

[SnakeLord]

given that the notion of an electron came about in the 1890's and that people were switching lights on and off since the early 1800's

The invention of the light bulb was in 1879. Just thought I'd mention it.

 

[lightgigantic]

The invention of the light bulb was in 1879. Just thought I'd mention it.

I guess I had better mention this then

You have no idea what you're talking about, and neither do I.

probably because it clearly indicates that there is more to evidencing electrons than turning on light switches


Emnos

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Originally Posted by lightgigantic
I would have thought that addressing the issue of how something is evidenced would be quite straight forward for a person making the claim that there is no evidence for god ....
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Its because i dont care if you believe in God or not.

thats alright

Too much trouble for me to explain everything to you while you are not even listening.

fortunately we are not required to explain everything to make a coherent argument, only the foundations on which our argument rests - and I am all ears to hear how you determine that something is evidenced, since you are the one making the claim that there is no evidence for god

 

[Enmos]

Emnos
thats alright

fortunately we are not required to explain everything to make a coherent argument, only the foundations on which our argument rests - and I am all ears to hear how you determine that something is evidenced, since you are the one making the claim that there is no evidence for god

Hehe..
No, you are making the claim that God exists, so the burden of evidence is on you. Im not about to do your job.
So be a good Christian and try to convert me...

 

[SnakeLord]

Not really, none of them incorporated light switches :bugeye:

However, it's not important. What is important is the need to work out the difference between electrons and gods. I would suggest using something more along the same lines in order to have a more accurate example - so use vampires, or werewolves, or something of that nature.

 

[lightgigantic]

Hehe..
No, you are making the claim that God exists, so the burden of evidence is on you. Im not about to do your job.
So be a good Christian and try to convert me...

slow down buddy

you made the claim that I have no evidence for god

I asked how do you propose to determine whether something is evidenced, using something that is relatively easily evidenced, an electron, as an example

its not clear how the discussion can progress unless there is a clear idea how something is evidenced

 

[lightgigantic]

Not really, none of them incorporated light switches :bugeye:

I see, so there was something about the light switch design which bridged the gap - do tell ....

However, it's not important. What is important is the need to work out the difference between electrons and gods.

since such a distinction rests on the understanding of the word 'evidence', I guess the first step in such a direction is to provide the general principles that evidence operates under

I would suggest using something more along the same lines in order to have a more accurate example - so use vampires, or werewolves, or something of that nature.

if you can locate credible sources for such things (scientists, philosophers or great thinkers) that advocate direct perception, be my guest

 

[Enmos]

slow down buddy

you made the claim that I have no evidence for god

I asked how do you propose to determine whether something is evidenced, using something that is relatively easily evidenced, an electron, as an example

Correction: YOU claim God exists. Therefore the burden of proof is on YOU. Since you refuse or are unable to present proof i conclude there is no proof.

its not clear how the discussion can progress unless there is a clear idea how something is evidenced.

Well, thats your problem isnt it..

 

[SnakeLord]

I guess the first step in such a direction is to provide the general principles that evidence operates under

You tell me.

if you can locate credible sources for such things (scientists, philosophers or great thinkers) that advocate direct perception

Same to you with regards to gods - oh, other than self advocated philosophers and great thinkers - because any old idiot can do that. However:

"Dom Augustine Calmet, a well-respected French theologian and scholar, put together a carefully thought out treatise in 1746, which was at least ambiguous concerning the existence of vampires, if not admitting it explicitly. He amassed reports of vampire incidents and numerous readers, including both a critical Voltaire and supportive demonologists, interpreted the treatise as claiming that vampires exist. In his Philosophical Dictionary, Voltaire wrote on the vampires"

The guy was a scholar, a theologian, well respected and quite philosophical.

That satisfies your requirements, so use vampires instead of electrons heh..

Of course it's even quite well documented amongst Indians/Hindus - for instance the vetala legends in the Baital Pachisi. Then there's the BrahmarākŞhasa and of course kali.

Anyway, job done. What now?

 

[VitalOne]

Correction: YOU claim God exists. Therefore the burden of proof is on YOU. Since you refuse or are unable to present proof i conclude there is no proof.

ahahaha...typical atheistic argument...here it is

"There's no proof God exists"
"So what can be considered as proof?"
"Oh, I don't know, that's your problem, case closed, see there's no proof"