Atheists turn back to God?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by John J. Bannan, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    well we have had a few difficulties establishing a means how to do that amongst our atheistic intelligentsia here

    so maybe just so we have an established means of determining how something is evidenced, perhaps you could establish how, say, atoms are evidenced to me (then I can follow the exact same means to establish the evidence in relation to god)
     
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  3. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Are you denying the Atomic Theory ?

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  5. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    not really

    the question is more simple than that

    suppose I don't know anything about atoms - well lets be specific and say electrons

    how would you propose to evidence to me that "electrons exist"
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I would propose you evidence it to yourself and buy some books on it. Im not your teacher.
    Is this your way of avoiding to have to give your evidence of Gods existence ? Because i really dont care that much you know, do you WANT to prove him or not ?
     
  8. Cortex_Colossus Banned Banned

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    Fascinating story indeed.
     
  9. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    at the moment we are just establishing how something is "evidenced"

    so far, you have suggested that one "buys a book about it"

    Do you want to elaborate a bit on that or do you think that its sufficient?
     
  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry pal.. i should have realized before that its of no use talking to you..
    Have a great day, oh and try not to be too stupid & arrogant today.
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Turn on a light switch.
     
  12. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I would have thought that addressing the issue of how something is evidenced would be quite straight forward for a person making the claim that there is no evidence for god ....

    given that the notion of an electron came about in the 1890's and that people were switching lights on and off since the early 1800's, why is it that it took them a hundred years of such switching?

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  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Its because i dont care if you believe in God or not. Too much trouble for me to explain everything to you while you are not even listening.
    Have a great day.
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You have no idea what you're talking about, and neither do I.

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  15. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    The invention of the light bulb was in 1879. Just thought I'd mention it.
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I guess I had better mention this then

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    probably because it clearly indicates that there is more to evidencing electrons than turning on light switches

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    Emnos
    thats alright
    fortunately we are not required to explain everything to make a coherent argument, only the foundations on which our argument rests - and I am all ears to hear how you determine that something is evidenced, since you are the one making the claim that there is no evidence for god
     
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  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Hehe..

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    No, you are making the claim that God exists, so the burden of evidence is on you. Im not about to do your job.
    So be a good Christian and try to convert me...
     
  18. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Not really, none of them incorporated light switches :bugeye:

    However, it's not important. What is important is the need to work out the difference between electrons and gods. I would suggest using something more along the same lines in order to have a more accurate example - so use vampires, or werewolves, or something of that nature.
     
  19. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    slow down buddy

    you made the claim that I have no evidence for god

    I asked how do you propose to determine whether something is evidenced, using something that is relatively easily evidenced, an electron, as an example

    its not clear how the discussion can progress unless there is a clear idea how something is evidenced
     
  20. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I see, so there was something about the light switch design which bridged the gap - do tell ....
    since such a distinction rests on the understanding of the word 'evidence', I guess the first step in such a direction is to provide the general principles that evidence operates under

    if you can locate credible sources for such things (scientists, philosophers or great thinkers) that advocate direct perception, be my guest
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Correction: YOU claim God exists. Therefore the burden of proof is on YOU. Since you refuse or are unable to present proof i conclude there is no proof.

    Well, thats your problem isnt it..
     
  22. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    You tell me.

    Same to you with regards to gods - oh, other than self advocated philosophers and great thinkers - because any old idiot can do that. However:

    "Dom Augustine Calmet, a well-respected French theologian and scholar, put together a carefully thought out treatise in 1746, which was at least ambiguous concerning the existence of vampires, if not admitting it explicitly. He amassed reports of vampire incidents and numerous readers, including both a critical Voltaire and supportive demonologists, interpreted the treatise as claiming that vampires exist. In his Philosophical Dictionary, Voltaire wrote on the vampires"

    The guy was a scholar, a theologian, well respected and quite philosophical.

    That satisfies your requirements, so use vampires instead of electrons heh..

    Of course it's even quite well documented amongst Indians/Hindus - for instance the vetala legends in the Baital Pachisi. Then there's the BrahmarākŞhasa and of course kali.

    Anyway, job done. What now?
     
  23. VitalOne Banned Banned

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    ahahaha...typical atheistic argument...here it is

    "There's no proof God exists"
    "So what can be considered as proof?"
    "Oh, I don't know, that's your problem, case closed, see there's no proof"
     

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