Atheism & Theism...A Common Denominator

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  1. earth Registered Senior Member

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    This doesn't make much of a statement. I see no evidence. What did sewing machine mechanism have to do with never a thought before?
     
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  3. earth Registered Senior Member

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    Dywyddyr,
    Here is the final nail in the joker's coffin. You played the joker.

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    Technological evolution is the name of a science and technology studies theory describing technology development, developed by Czech philosopher Radovan Richta.

    Theory of technological evolution
    According to Richta and later Bloomfield, technology (which Richta defines as "a material entity created by the application of mental and physical effort to nature in order to achieve some value") evolves in three stages: tools, machine, automation. This evolution, he says, follows two trends: the replacement of physical labour with more efficient mental labour, and the resulting greater degree of control over one's natural environment, including an ability to transform raw materials into ever more complex and pliable products.

    Bye, Bye Joker :wave:
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Because the mechanism of a sewing machine hadn't been seen before.

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    Ah yes, the final nail.
    A theory by two guys that is supported by... whom?
    And already contradicted by my linked article.
     
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  7. earth Registered Senior Member

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    A joker you are and I guess a joker you will remain.

    333.……How about the “spring out of nowhere” 100% new for us to view?…….333

    Technologly evolves and a theory exist.
    Noting is going to spring out of nowhere in technology.
    Thats strike three and you're out.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually I owe you an apology: my link doesn't directly contradict your Wiki link.
    But then again the theory named in your link takes an overall view of technology as a whole, not individual sections of it.
    In other words it says nothing whatsoever about, for example, sewing machine mechanisms, not actually being evolved, merely that since knitting machines had simplified the job of knitting then a sewing machine as complete item was part of the evolution of removing drudgery.
    Strike three?
    Pfft you can't count either.
    I note how you consistently ignore completely the article I linked to.
    What else would I expect from someone who can't even be bothered to look at the other links?
    Congratulations. :wave:
     
  9. earth Registered Senior Member

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    When thinking about the overall view. I like a well written theory that proves out. Darwins "natural selection" will do fine as an example.

    The joker game makes things rememberable without having think much. Funny how that works.
     
  10. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    How?

    And if so, how do you know about it?
     
  11. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    How do you know that you won't fall up if you jump off a cliff? Gravity is an unexplained force. The only reason we trust gravity is through experience. So my question to you is explain exactly why you KNOW that you won't fall up when you step off a cliff.
     
  12. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    To answer your question, it is what I believe through personal observation/experience as well as other factors that have influenced my belief of this. This tenet is also held in the Christian Bible, and I imagine other philosophies/religions.
     
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  13. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    From your questions, swarm, it appears that when it comes to religion or God, you have an attitude of 'question everything'. A suggestion: when it comes to what you think is fact about science-Question Everything.
    If you already do, my apologies.
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It's most likely the other way round, the tenets are held in the bible and you've been indoctrinated into that cult. Simple really.
     
  15. earth Registered Senior Member

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    That's right. A baby doesn't know anything until taught while growing up. Indoctrination by teaching is the learning process concerning knowledge of a God.
    Even Jesus learned about his God that way.
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Teaching and indoctrinating are two different things. And, I would agree indoctrination is the "learning" (cough) process concerning religion.

    Indoctrinating someone is forcing them to believe something regardless of whether or not it is true. There is no actual "thinking" process with indoctrination.
     
  17. earth Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, I can go along with your thinking. I question where the material used to indoctrinate came from and was this material used as a teaching tool?

    edit: Indoctrinate:
    1. To instruct in, or imbue with, doctrines, theories, or beliefs, as of a sect
    2. To instruct; teach
    Ref: New World Dictionary, second college editon
     
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  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    My thinking? What are you talking about? Do you not know the difference between indoctrination and teaching?

    The material is the bible or any other scriptures you might bring to the table. They aren't "teaching tools" either, they are statements about the world that have no basis in fact or reality. Mindless drivel from those too ignorant to wipe their asses with anything other than their hands.
     
  19. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You conveniently left out "uncritically" in that definition. However, the term "imbue" should help you out in the understanding.
     
  20. earth Registered Senior Member

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    Understood. No doubt, indoctrinate can be used as a term describing teach. And is not limited to forcing somebody to believe.
     
  21. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Not really. They are totally different in regards to process and results.

    Teaching involves thinking critically, asking questions and finding evidence.

    Indoctrination is simply stating something is the truth without thinking, asking questions or finding evidence.

    Big difference.
     
  22. earth Registered Senior Member

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    I think you’re confusing indoctrinate with brainwashing.

    edit: Brainwash:
    To indoctrinate so intensively and thoroughly as to effect a radical transformation of beliefs and mental attitudes.
     
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  23. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    What does that have to do with anything?

    What experience of god do you have?
     

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